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162 comments:

F-Jam Alert said...

Project initiated:

http://fjamstudios.blogspot.com/2009/01/grunge-doomsday-lyrics-vocals-bass-and.html<---Click this

ac said...

this is a raw recording of a track Iwould love to see developped. some lyrics, vocals, and a lead guitar as well as a bass line would be brilliant.
any ideas are welcome

Inngr8 said...

Antonio,
Is "Doomsday" a working title, or do you want that to set the tone for the lyrics? Any thoughts concerning content, any particular direction you see the lyrics going?
Phil

ac said...

doomsday is a working title so any ideas are welcome

Inngr8 said...

Antonio,
This is what the song is saying to me. If you green-light the lyrics I'll continue writing. If you feel it's wrong for the song I could start over and listen for more inspiration.
Phil

Doomsday (working title)
Intro
You’re suffocating me X 4
(starting inaudible, getting steadily louder – builds to a scream?)
C1
I trip, I fall, I’m down on my knees
I need more space, I’m begging you please
I can’t find peace, you’re like a drug that I need
But I can’t leave, you’ve got your poison in me
V1
Your love… has ripped a hole in my soul
You want… to see me losin’ control
Back off… remove your claws from my heart
My mind… is slowly coming apart
C2
I trip, I fall, I’m down on my knees
I need more space, I’m begging you please
I can’t find peace, you’re like a drug that I need
But I can’t leave, you’ve got your poison in me

ac said...

how would you see it sung? i really like the lyrics but it really took them somewhere completely different. which is really cool:)

Inngr8 said...

AC,
Seeing as how I have zero talent, other than with words, I'm probably the LAST person in the world to steer this in the right direction. If the question is more a "style" issue, or a matter of "who" I would see singing it - I envisioned this as a classic grunge tune. Rough, unpolished vocals. Nirvana - STP - Pearl Jam. I wrote it to stay with the melodies as much as possible. Like I said - if you think the interpretation is wrong, or it doesn't have the "feel" you want, I can take another run at it. Chances are there is another lyricist out there with a much better take on the song. Honestly, when I sit to write, I listen to the tune over and over and wait for the words to come - this is the initial result. The bottom line is, this is your song and what I posted is just an audition. I'm completely behind you getting the best lyrics for the tune and the end result being what you are most comfortable with. Wish I could be more helpful about HOW it should be sung - cause I do hear it a certain way in my head when I'm writing it. But singing it in my head is as far as the process is able to go with me. If I had actual vocal experience I might be able to provide better advice, and if pigs could fly I'd be growing wings.
Phil

ac said...

phil,
i'm really happy with what you got so far,it has given a new dimension to the song, and i found a little bit of time to actually sing the lyrics in my mind. the vocal style i thought about would be exactly the same as you, an eddie vedder type rough vocal. I would be really happy to see you continue to work on those lyrics. i'll add you to the roster later on today. i'm off to my second job now. but will be back later on.

F-Jam Alert said...

Good for you Phil! You're knocking them out man!

I bet if you bolstered your library in the lyrics database you'd see some hits on there too.

Way to go!

F-Jam Alert said...

Good for you Phil! You're knocking them out man!

I bet if you bolstered your library in the lyrics database you'd see some hits on there too.

Way to go!

F-Jam Alert said...

Antonio-

The upload forms are now visible. People can upload directly to your folder from your project pages. That's how your blues lead could have gone too, but what you did was fine as well.

Cool!

Inngr8 said...

AC,
I'll get started on finishing the lyrics. Thanx for the vote of confidence. Off to your second job? I've been retired since '92 - I'd be happy if they let me work just part-time, but maybe this venture could develop into "honest" work. Fred - I'd forgotten I had even posted lyrics in the database. Might be a good idea to put some more in there.
Phil

F-Jam Alert said...

Well you have access so have at it Phil. Notice the lyric scroller on the database page. I need to integrate the googlegroup subscriptions in the site more so people can join the lyrics database and get notifications of new lyrics etc. Lots more work to do for admin, but it's comming around.

People seem to be grabbing and using your writings Phil. That could grow with some work, and indeed you could end up on the market. WOuldn't hurt my feelings at all...

Keep it up folks!

Recruit some singers and more talent if you can. We all benefit if you do!

Antonio that reminds me I will be adding you to the talent lists based on the talent profile you submitted. You'll see what I mean via e-mail as it happens...

It gets you invited via mass invitation once you are on them. A sort of mailing list targeted at specific talents.

ac said...

phil,
yeah mate 2 jobs, 14 hours a day and still find time for my music!! i'm glad you decided to work on the lyrics. post them as you get them and we'll discuss them.
to administrators,
i can't access fjamserve to download mp3 tracks. any ideas?

Inngr8 said...

AC,
I wrote a bit more, but I need some "guidance". I'm not stuck - more a matter of I can make this guy totally beyond redemption - or give him a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm thinking more than just my perspective on this might be helpful. Phil

Doomsday (working title)
Intro
You’re suffocating me X 4
(starting inaudible, getting steadily louder – builds to a scream?)
C1
I trip, I fall, I’m down on my knees
I need more space, I’m begging you please
I can’t find peace, you’re like a drug that I need
But I can’t leave, you’ve got your poison in me
V1
Your love… has ripped a hole in my soul
You want… to see me losin’ control
Back off… remove your claws from my heart
My mind… is slowly coming apart
C2
I trip, I fall, I’m down on my knees
I need more space, I’m begging you please
I can’t find peace, you’re like a drug that I need
But I can’t leave, you’ve got your poison in me
V2
Your love… is rearranging me
Your lust… becoming strange to me
No trust… no more delaying…
YOUR LOVE… IS LIKE BETRAYAL
C3
I trip, I fall, I can’t find the door
Your hold on me has got me begging for more



V3 (Four lines)
C4 (four lines)

Outro
You’re suffocating me
Keep suffocating me

kenny_b said...

Looks like some good lyrics. I like the creative guitar and drum part too. Nice start. A good vocalist could put this over the top.

Note...there sounded like some harsh distortion on the guitar. Undesireable clipping at some level of your recording.

kenny_b said...

A bad cable maybe?

Keeper said...

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Quote kenny_b:

"Looks like some good lyrics. I like the creative guitar and drum part too. Nice start. A good vocalist could put this over the top.

Note...there sounded like some harsh distortion on the guitar. Undesireable clipping at some level of your recording."
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My first impression was "compression artifacts" on the overall mix?

F-Jam Alert said...

Antonio-

We have your mass invitation ready to send out to the talent groups, once you have the custom mixes ready. You might want to considr what Ken has said to you about the noisey mix before we do send this out though. Maybe work on cleaning up the sound a bit so that your chances of getting auditions is better?

I'm hearing problems with the overall mix I believe. Like it's over compressed to the point of artifacts showing up in the mix. I noticed it in the drum sound you have.

If you want to go ahead with this mass invite we're ready to post it, but I believe you should act on this fedback. Please advise us as to your plans on this.

ac said...

as to the sound comments made i agree with them. this is a raw recording and needs redoing (recording volumes too high causing distortion, for example). when i recorded this i had just broken my old headphones and was monitoring through a crappy old set, so i assumed the distortion came from them. the track was posted as a guide for future recordings. my time is limited to the weekends and a couple of half hours stolen here and there during the week so it takes a while for things to develop.
as to the actual mastering and mixing of the track any tips are welcome. I am trying to develop those skills and anything that makes me learn is appreciated.

Phil,
i am impressed with what you've got so far. is the guy beyond redemption? I think so but is that such a bad thing?... the outro says it all.

F-Jam Alert said...

A-

Do you want to go ahead with the massinvite then (with the different mixes posted, bassless etc.) and just put a note in the invite as per what you've just said?

ac said...

i've uploaded two different versions of doomsday 1 of them bassless. just trying out different sound settings. would welcome any input

Keeper said...

A-

When I get back down into the studio I'll listen on my monitors. I'm on my laptop right now.

F-Jam Alert said...

The artifacts don't seem to be present in doomsday2. I do have comments on it though if you'd care to hear what I'm thinking. Is there a bass on that?

Ok I'll listen to bassless mix now.

Keeper said...

Antonio-

I know you are on limited time. How about your just post the separate tracks for this as wav and let me make a mix for you?

I'd post the mixe(s), and then we could discuss it/them. It actually would make the discussion more meaningful if the mixes were done first, so if you could post separate wav files I'll try to be more direct in my help, and save you time as well.

ac said...

i'll try to post the separates tonight. i'm still interested to hear what you have to comment though. constructive criticism is always welcome, and i'm only learning as i go along, completely on my own so anything that increases my knowledge is a good thing.

Keeper said...

Ok now what I'm gonna say here is my opinion, and not necessarily gosel. You may not agree, and a lot of this I will fix with my mixes.

1st-

You have two guitars doing the exact same part. Not sure why, but it doesn't help in my opinion. The clean one has a ton of verb on it and is too loud in the mix. SOme of your playing is sloppy so timing issues. I can fix that.

The drums are gated? Sound really short, and thin. Playing cool but could do much better choosing drum kit. Boomy kick.

Bass I couldn't hear. Mix2 and bassless had almost same bass (almost invisible) to me.

I can fix a lot of this and help your chances of getting auditions.

Keeper said...

I notice you didn't ask for drum auditions A. Does this mean you are happy with the drum sound you have there?

ac said...

i'am now uploading the separates so will be glad if you want to remix. Like i said i'm a newbie at this. the playing is sloppy i agree but is to be redone as soon as i get some time to sit down for a couple of hours and replay it. as to the drum sound i'm really happy with the drum riff but not necessarily the drum sound. so i'll be happy to try different things on it. If you want to have a go at it please do. i put the second (distorted) guitar to give the sound an "angrier" tone, and wanted to put the emphasis of the song on the vocals (when they come to life). but am open to any suggestions and any input from others so if you have any ideas that you think can make the song better please don't hesitate to put them forward. go ahead with the remix once you get the separates, i'm sure you'll do a better job than me.

Keeper said...

Antonio, you know what you want, and or like, so you should not take everything anyone says as gospel. If what I'm saying makes sense to you, then accept it, and we'll work on it together. If my opinion really rubs you the wrong way, and doesn't make sense to you, then stick to your guns. Like the drums. You might actually like the short gated sound. I didn't like it myself, but if you do, then ignore my comments on that. That's one thing you gotta learn. That is to trust your own judgement first. If what I say to you makes sense then you can adapt that as your own judgement. If you don't agree, then keep it your way.

A lot of what I've said is opinion. The biggest things that hurt you on this is not being tight and too much effects. I think. Both of the guitar that play the same thing are heavy in effects. The result is too much.

I use sonar and acid pro. Acid pro is the very best editor for audio tracks that I've ever used. I'll be able to use it and tweak your timing very quickly. So you may not even need to retrack.

We are human so we don't keep perfect time. Nobody does. Not me, not you. So some slop is inevitable. Even practicing with a metronome regularly, I still have to edit my tracks and make them tight. If you get a good program that makes editing easy for you, you can fix tracks rather than needing to re-record.

Also-

Monitoring is essential to being tight. So setting up your monitor mix is crucial to being tight. Have good phones. Make sure the levels are set so you can always hear what you are playing against and your playing at the same time. If one or the other of those disappears in your phones at any time then there is no way you'll keep good time. Most people have good timing but it's nullified because they don't take the time to setup their phones mix right. I usually put a click in the mix with the phones when I'm behind the kit. Something easy to follow like a cowbell or something. So if I get louder on the kit during a roll or something I can still keep ahold of the cowbell and keep my timing.

You seemed to keep good timing through most of the song, so I know you can keep good time. So I suspect the monitor setup you are using. You gotta take the time to setup a good monitor mix to play against so you don't loose it while playing/recording. A lot of people don't do this. It'll make all the difference in how you keep time.

Keeper said...

Do you have a midi sequence of the drum track so I could try some different kits in there? The playing seems fine. The kit bothers me. If so I'd like to demo some different kits for you.

Tightening up the mix is the biggest thing I'd say is needed. I can edit that in a short time. I am nearly expert with Acid Pro as an editor.

I record with sonar, and edit with Acid Pro. You should look for a program that is comfortable for you to use as an editor. Something that lets you move audio around and change it very quickly. For me that is Acid Pro, but there are a lot of great editors out there.

Keeper said...

Antonio-

I have been playing with live bands for over 35 years. This gives me an edge in one way (experience), but a disadvantage in another way. I am an older guy. I am 52 years old, and my hearing is not what it used to be. As a young man you can hear things I cannot, so I don't claim to be able to mix sound like a young man might. I've really hurt my ears from years of playing too loud.

I try to overcome this with some common sense. I'm still learning myself. I learn every day. I try to have a reason for everything I do. But I also get a lot wrong too. So we can learn together. If I have something to share with you I will. Doesn't mean you will accept it. You could prove me wrong too. I'd learn from you there. That WILL happen.

What I am planning to do is to try out a few different mixes all of which will be tweaked to be tight.

One would be with the distorted guitar alone against the drums.

One would be with the clean guitar alone against the drums.

I would suggest maybe doing both guitars together but have one or the other play a different part, rather than the same thing. I don't think it works to have them playing verbetim. One or the other could find a different part to augment the other. I think that would help.

There really are a lot of different things that could be tried. You'll know when it hits home.

Inngr8 said...

First draft of the lyrics. I hate to be prideful, but I'm liking what this one turned into, a lot. Sort of has a mind/life of its own. But if required I'm more than happy to do rewrites. Phil

Doomsday (working title – consider shortening title to Doomed? Or maybe something from the lyrics?)
Intro
You’re suffocating me X 4
(starting inaudible, getting steadily louder – builds to a scream?)
C1
I trip, I fall, I’m down on my knees
I need more space, I’m begging you please
I can’t find peace, you’re like a drug that I need
But I can’t leave, you’ve got your poison in me
V1
Your love… has ripped a hole in my soul
You want… to see me losin’ control
Back off… remove your claws from my heart
My mind… slowly dissolving (“apart” seemed to be stepping on c2)
C2
I trip, I fall, I’m down on my knees
I need more space, I’m begging you please
I can’t find peace, you’re like a drug that I need
But I can’t leave, you’ve got your poison in me
V2
Your love… is rearranging me
Your lust… becoming strange to me
No trust… no more delaying…
YOUR LOVE… IS LIKE BETRAYAL
C3
I trip, I fall, I can’t find the door
Your hold on me has got me begging for more
I’ve been consumed, there ain’t too much left
I can’t blame you, it’s my fault I’m obsessed
V3
Your love… is like a drug in me
Can’t breathe… your love has smothered me
Can’t see… you’ve made me blind
YOUR LOVE… IS DEEP INSIDE
C4
I trip, I fall, I’m down on my knees
I need more space, I’m begging you please
I can’t find peace, you’re like a drug that I need
But I can’t leave, you’ve got your poison in me

Outro
You’re suffocating me
Keep suffocating me
Consume me faithfully
Your love has taken me
( I hear these lines fading from loud to barely audible – just a reverse of the Intro, but probably not so loud as a scream for the first line)

ac said...

Keeper,
i'm a very open minded person and i like to hear what others have to say, sometimes a different view allows you to see something you didn't see in the first place. so i am willing and keen to experiment, which doesn't mean i'm going to take yours or anybody's word as the "ultimate truth". having said that your experience is something that i don't have. so i would be dumb not to accept your help, maintaining my opinions. (I have worked most teens and all my 20's in bars and nightclubs so my hears have gone a bit wonky as well).

Phil,
on a first read i am absolutely gobsmacked by the lyrics. you are right to be proud of them in my humble opinion. the last verse brings it all together beautifully. i'll go through them with the music later on and give you a more detailed opinion.

ac said...

uploaded separates: 4 files - clean guitar, disto guitar, drums, bass

Keeper said...

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Quote: ac said...

"uploaded separates: 4 files - clean guitar, disto guitar, drums, bass"
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Got 'em

Keeper said...

I'm about half way finished with the timing tweaks on this A-.

It's slowing me down just a little that I have to line these tracks up (they don't seem to have exported from your DAW with the same starting point which is curious). I will grab your demo mix and use it to find the starting point of the drums, because it doesn't seem to be exported from the DAW. I feel pretty certain that I can line this up like your mix.

I had to stop work in the studio and take care of some RL biz. SHould have some mixes by tomorrow I am sure.

ac said...

thanks mate, i'm looking forward to hearing them

ac said...

playing around, just came up with a new riff for the second guitar.

ac said...

phil,
yes we're going to have to change the title. I don't think doomed is it though...

Keeper said...

Antonio-

Fixing to have some Chinese for super. I'm a bit burnt out from a long day in the studio. I'll pick up on this tomorrow for sure. Gotta stay fresh when behind the console.

I should have several mixes to post and I'm sure your new riff will go right over one of them.

Way to go!

Keeper said...

http://www.4shared.com/file/83307638/89cf6e09/Doomsday_tweaked.html

I'll do some more after super. Gotta take a break, and come back fresh.

Keeper said...

distorted guitar is out of tune, and playing the wrong chords...

ac said...

just uploaded separate disto guitar 2. should be a tad better than the first version

Keeper said...

I like the tone of this new distorted track much better than the first. Not nearly as much splatter to obscure the definition. Working on it.

Keeper said...

Here's a decent bassless mix for the mass invite. I will edit your bassline and make a mix for guitarists, and vocalists as well. The distorted guitar you first put up was a huge offender. Way too much splatter (tone), and playing the wrong chords. You found a much better tone on the 2nd, and played the right chords, and it fixed a big part of this. It even made the drums sound better in the mix. I still think you should have a different kit. Kick drum expecially, but it's much better just with the 2nd distorted guitar tone. If you agree I'll send this mix out for mass invite to bassists group.

http://www.4shared.com/file/83426430/5be936e8/Doomsday_Bassless_Mix.html

You can do grunge without massive splatter in the distorted tone.

Keeper said...

Antonio-

If you like where this is going, I should upload a different bassless mix, with the dead air edited off the end. I didn't do that, and there is a lot of unnecessary download time on the end of that mp3.

If you agree, then you could delete ALL of the files.... Leave a folder for the separates, and delete everything and we'll post all new tracks for this project. Clean up the whole thing as it were.

I'll edit your bassline for the mixes I mentioned and upload cleaned up tracks for this once I hear from you.

Sounding infinitely better already and you chances for auditions just grew big time.

Tighter (timing), right chords (sloppy), and tone (distortion), are what you changed to get here. If we changed the kit sound you'd really have something. Let me know.

Keeper said...

I should probably do some arranging on your drum track too. You have some good patterns in there, but some of your rolls, and flams are not where a drummer would do them instinctively. I hear a place or two where the flams are done in the middle of the verse, where I think they would sound better at the end of the measure.

ac said...

just got home and just heard the bassless mix. good job. it sounds really good. as to erasing the files i'm quite happy to do that and start afresh with the new mixes. like i said before the first recording was a raw version that needed a lot of work and it's coming together quite nicely. as to the drums i didn't keep the midi track for them, but i've been thinking about the idea of getting a real drummer and it's sounding better and better. so if we could add the invite to the drummers group that would be cool.

Keeper said...

have some awesome real drummers to invite too. So yea I will add drummer to the list to audition.

Go ahead and kill all the files, leaving the separates folder.

I'll post soon.

So if you get good at editing, and post tighter mixes, take care to tune your guitar, find less splatter tones, and get a good set of phones and take care to set monitor levels for optimum performance, your recordings will be in much better shape from the onset. So hopefully you are learning to refine your routines.

You have plenty of talent. Just get the studio/recording routines together, to help insure you'll get people jumping in.

The reason it sounded bad, really has nothing to do with your talent as a musician. But none the less, it could have been the reason you wouldn't get much feedback.

The changes you've heard are really just the tip of the iceberg. It'll just keep getting better.

I already like the progression much better just by the changes we've made. Cool!

ac said...

just updated the starter track to doomsday4. can always change it to new mixes later.

Keeper said...

Amended bassless mix below. Dead air cut off the end. I'll use this to send out mass invite to the bassist's group.


http://www.4shared.com/file/83443010/d648f924/Doomsday_Bassless_Mix.html

ac said...

good stuff mate thanks!

Keeper said...

New mix with a standin bass line.

If you like this as a starter mix, put it into your status window to download.

http://www.4shared.com/file/83449452/349e15b4/Doomsday_New_Mix.html

F-Jam Alert said...

We are fixing to send out a mass invite to the vocalist's group for this. I'd like one of you to upload a preliminary finished document with the up to date lyrics, that I can include with the invite. That is not to say final, but at least up to date. Something they can use to audition.

ac said...

in what format would you want the lyrics?

F-Jam Alert said...

Text

ac said...

lyrics uploaded

ac said...

just changed the starter track to the new mix. Keeper, I was just thinking that i should add you as producer on the roster

Keeper said...

Go for it A, I made the window bigger.

Inngr8 said...

It is so cool to watch all of this unfold. Never been in a studio yet, hoping to with my son-in-law in the next couple of weeks, he has some "talent" he represents that are a bit weak on the lyric writing.
Phil

Keeper said...

It's amazing when you consider, that we are working on music tracks together, and we've never really met each other.

Our motto "the world is now one big recording studio", is really true.

And it costs us no money to work together like this either. ANother bonus of this system.

ac said...

i wouldn't have a chance to work with people so intensively without the brilliant tool that the internet is. big up to f-jam for allowing us to do it.

Keeper said...

Attached is the drumless.wav we will be sending out to mass invite drummers.


drumless mix<--Click this

Inngr8 said...

I was just listening to the latest version of the song, going over the lyrics and doing an integrity check, and I realized that the song is shortened and we lost the outro. Would it be OK to drop the last chorus and replace it with the outro? Phil

Keeper said...

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QUOTE: Inngr8 said...

I was just listening to the latest version of the song, going over the lyrics and doing an integrity check, and I realized that the song is shortened and we lost the outro. Would it be OK to drop the last chorus and replace it with the outro? Phil
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He doesn't export separates from his DAW, so the tracks have to be manually lined up based on his first posted mix. The way the song starts in the mix I posted is the same as his original mix. As for the ending, he had the guitar by itself, like the intro. I could put that back on there, but I thought it was a bit odd to end it like that.

Of course this is all dictated by the vocals, so once that occurs, it could easily be arranged. Because it was done to a metronome, arrangement is a simple matter, as I demonstrated on Sean's song. It's actually quite easy to move things around, and it's in large part because it was done to a click. I can put the cursor where ever is required and split parts and move them at will. So if it needs to be extended, to suit the vocals, that is quite easy to do. I must stress though that these initial mixes are usually preliminary and subject to change. We usually let the music guide the arrangement, and at this stage of the game, the vocals specifically. The singing will dictate the arrangement at this point.

ac said...

just posted an outside audition for vocals. I think the potential is there!!
http://www.4shared.com/file/87817278/4942feb1/doomsdayvocal_1oneleo_.html

Keeper said...

I agree he has potential. Hope he has a good attitude too. That'd be great.

I'm planning a drum audition for this one soon.

Jed, if you are reading this and beat me to it, go for it! There are lots of projects open for drum auditions!

1oneleo said...

Hi guys! I was invited to participate of this forum yesterday. I'm Leonardo (1oneleo), the voice on the preview of doomsday.
I'v{ post to AC the vocal tracks for this project but i think is far from a good version, cause I don't have the right eqquipment for recording. I'll buy a new one soon to increase the quality of the vocal line.
Well, I hope I can help you.

MITIR said...

Cheers!

Just posted a vocal audition. Started on it last week (as time allows). Got the raw waves for Keeper, if any of this is acceptable to AC (or Inngr8 for that matter - took a few small liberties with the lyrics). Still needs some patching up. /;) Cool tune. Look forward to some monster drum on it.

Download<--Click this
Thanks!

What the *!? I apparently have to post under the name MITIR... something to do with my old Google account - I'll have to sort that out later.

This is G1. Whoo-boy.

F-Jam Alert said...

Moose-

Check your e-mail and find the invite to join this blog. Once you do your posts will bypass the moderation we have in place to keep spammers at bay.

G1 said...

Ahhh... there we go.

Thanks!

Keeper said...

Moose-

How come you didn't make use of your considerable range on that take? Lik maybe jump up an octave the 2nd time around... and when you jump up an octave you could pump up the energy too, and sing it out more.

You strike me as having the same kind of range as the singer from Queensrych. That's not even being touched in your take.

I like the low key start, but it kinda stayed thre through the whole thing. Needs to jump out of that after the low ky intro in my opinion.

Same thing with Leonardo's audition. Low key throughout.

Keeper said...

I listened to G1's audition again today. It's pretty darned good. If he did a little more in the high range (because to be fair to him he did do some up there), and he did a little belting it out, it'd be very good. He is softspoken through most of it. He needs to get angry a bit I think.

And yes Phil, I really liked Paul's version too. He did a bangup job on it. I'd like to see G1 put that kind of energy into it, cuz as you can hear he has a very good voice.

If you listen to G1's finished tracks you see he has that kind of energy in his works too. And quite a range too. Sings high harmonies etc. I started putting G1's tracks in the juke but got sidetracked waiting for lyrics etc to post. He has a LOT of talent!

To me the laid back part of it should be short lived. And then break into the anger? Just thinking aloud.

Lots of talent flying around all of a sudden. I really like what Paul did too. You should post it up here for everyone to hear.

Keeper said...

Moose-

AC is looking for bass auditions too, if you are so inclined. I think we have a bassless mix posted here. And drums too. I know you do drums. I am planning to do some drums, but that doesn't preclude anyone else from auditioning. If your drums beat out mine, so be it. I just work harder next time. It's about giving AC choices.

Looks like he's going to have some choices to make on vocals too. Or maybe different versions. Can do that too.

This project is all wide open. Leads, arrangement, bass, drums, vocals.... keys.... arrangement, more changes? It's all wide open...

Have fun with it....

I'm enjoying hearing all the different takes.... Love it!

G1 said...

Thanks, Keeper. I doubt I can touch the guy in Queensrych, but I can work that range. Waiting to see what AC's take is on all of this. I kept it in the 'quiet rage' mode, because this was to be a 'Grunge' tune... it felt like going further would start pushing it in a different direction (I had second thoughts about going up on that 3rd chorus as it was). I can certainly do another version. On my first listen to the riff, I was thinking Metal.

But then, I may not be the one for the vision of this tune - we'll see what commentary follows.

Where is Paul's version? Am I missing something?

I'm interested in hearing your take on the drums for this and where that leads. /;)

Keeper said...

Yes there is another audition for vox, that I'm hoping Phil will post up to the files on this project.

Phil, you should try to get Paul involved in this site. I know there are many here who would love to work with him. I know I would. At least let everyone hear his work on this one.

ac said...

sorry for not answering any sooner but i'm having some serious computer problems an am trying to sort them out. just bear with me and i'll get back as soon as possible

G1 said...

^Yes! I'd love to hear it.

On bass - the way I personally work, bass winds up being the glue between the drums and everything else... so I'd need to hear where that's going before I could offer up anything in good conscience. Don't want to muck up anything.

Excelsior! /;)

G1 said...

Ooo - sorry to hear about the computer issues, AC.

Hope you can get that sorted out painlessly. Ouch!

Inngr8 said...

I got Paul's audition uploaded. Listened to G1s audition, liked that one as well. I will get the separates from Paul, or maybe convince him to join the site and upload them himself. He ran out of time last night, was also going to send an audition for SHELTER - claims he will do something with it this week tho. It's the work, family, commitment syndrome. I have some ideas for a new name for the song, I think we discussed it before, but now the project has been kick started again it might be something to consider.

YOUR LOVE ** POISON LOVE ** LOVE DRUG ** LOVE DRUGGED

Anyone have any ideas to ad to the list?
Phil

F-Jam Alert said...

Doomsday_Paul_VOX_audition.html<--Click this

G1 said...

M0o5e likee Paul's vocals. I like my phrasing (of course), but his voice is premo.

I think Paul's voice is better suited for this song than mine, personally.

Other title suggestions: 'Suffocation' and 'Taken'.
Cheers!

Eddie Wilson said...

You looking for a guitar solo track?...and if so...where?

Inngr8 said...

You know Moose, "Suffocation" seems rather obvious now that you bring it up - also like "Taken". I know this might not be the right place to address this , but I like your voice and have some other lyrics that I think I might like to send you, to see if they interest you and if you can do anything with them. Let me know. Phil

F-Jam Alert said...

We're waiting for lyrics etc. before posting his tracks to the jukebox, but in the meantime you can visit his website where he has some of his finished tracks posted. Go to his profile here and click his webpage link on there:

G1's profile<--- click this

He is indeed multi-talented!

Maybe he could do something against your lyrics...

ac said...

first, the bad news: my main computer has a faulty motherboard so that needs changing. apparently from the time they pick it up (friday) till it's ready again to rock'n'roll again two weeks will have gone by. in a way i'm relieved because it hasn't affected the hard disk where i have quite a few projects that i didn't back up. The fear of loosing them has taught me a little lesson.
i've got a rudimentary set up on my old computer (boy, am i glad i kept it) so i'll be able to stay online and continue the project.

the good stuff now. the auditions are all amazing. the different takes on the song really make it come alive. i've downloaded the three vocals and they're on my little mp3 gizmo. i know i'm going to have to make a choice, but it's not going to be an easy one. so give me a couple of days to get my bearings and find a little time to go through them as i think they deserve.

as to the title out of the options Taken seems to be the best one for the moment.

Eddie
the space hasn't been made on the song for a guitar solo yet so ideas are welcome. my initial thought would go towards a couple of bars before the last verse but to be honest I really haven't given it much thought yet.

G1 said...

AC - keep in mind that having a variety of choices for vocal arrangements and vocalists should mean that you could offer up what you would specifically like to hear based on these different arrangements.

Hopefully we're all open-minded enough to incorporate the feel that speaks to you in new vocal auditions... after all - it is your song (and Phil's too, at this point).

On a side note (and as time allows), I plan to offer up some guitar work and bass; once I see where it is going.

Keeper said...

And don't forget the possibility of combining diffrnt auditions for even different potential.

G1 said...

^Exactly.

Gr1m said...

Sounding good guys :)

kenny_b said...

excellent vocal auditions!!

ac said...

after listening thoroughly to the vocal auditions i've decided to go for Paul's take on the song, because it seemed the most consistent of them all.
as to the others: Moose you've got an amazing voice. The Geoff Tate comparison is not at all out of place. your range is impressive and i'd like to collaborate with you further. Leo, in my ears there's an immense potential in your voice and from the other stuff that i've heard from you i think that you've got a lot to give. I would work on consistency and gaining more experience (which I know you are doing). I would also like to throw a few more things your way.
thanks for your input.
we are now waiting for separates from Paul.

Keeper said...

I helped Phil get his 4shared.com account setup to receive Paul's files, so we should be good to go on that.

I'm pretty much finished with Sean's song now in a producer's capacity. It's in the hands of mix/master techs now. I may go back and redo a new mix/master of this myself, after some time away to clear my palette.

I'm planning to go to work on a a drum audition for this today hopefully.

ac said...

i know you've got your hands pretty full at the moment. i've been following the work done on Forsake Reality. it's moving along at a brilliant pace. do what you have to and get back to us afresh.

Keeper said...

I always have my hands full (by choice). It's why I started F-Jam to begin with.

Watch this space.

G1 said...

Watching... watching... jus' kiddin' Keeper! /;)
You've been so busy lately, I'm surprised your head isn't spinning off - lol.

Quote AC: ...i've decided to go for Paul's take on the song.

I like his voice for this, too. Personal opinion from the peanut gallery - I think his vocal arrangement is a little busy for this song in places; but his pipes are excellent.

I don't hear a need in the current arrangement for any lead guitar work either - but I'll be following to see if I can help out with auditioning anything else along the way.

Bangin' tune AC! (uhhh... that means 'good') Cheers!

Keeper said...

I've already begun working on a drum track. I've shown my work to A, just to make sure he likes the direction, and he did. So this should get moving very quickly. I have the separates from Paul, and you'll have an opportunity to audition some arrangements Moose. This one you can catch it early on, and potentially have some say in the direction/arrangement, via audition. Shouldn't be too long now.

F-Jam Alert said...

AC did you make a decision about the titl change yet? If so let us know and we'll change the project title to reflect this.

I am going to initialize a forum for polls, so people can ask the members various poll questions. You'll be able to get opinions thru polls to help make decisions etc.

This blog can do polls too if you guys want/need them. I'll do the forums polls first though.

ac said...

cheers for the comments Moose:)! the more I listen to the song the less I see the need of a for a lead guitar. but the idea is to let things develop and see what ideas come up. my ears are telling me that his vocals need some tweaking but my lack of experience in these things is looking for a bit of help from you all!!

ac said...

i'm quite taken with Taken (excuse the bad pun). if Phil agrees with it I'll be quite happy to change it

Moose said...

ac said... i'm quite taken with Taken (excuse the bad pun).

Ahhh... excellent Smithers! I see my work is done here - to the Moosemobile!

/;)

Inngr8 said...

I'm happy with changing the title to "Taken" as well. Phil

Keeper said...

If you listen to the "Latest Mix", which is Paul's audition, you'll see that Paul has done some arranging of the band track to fit his vocals. This means I need to change the arrangement of the band myself here.

This is not that big a deal, since we knew to begin with that we would be doing new arrangement work. I can use his arrangement as reference, or I can try my hand at some arranging. I was actually following AC's initial drum arrangement, but this is no longer valid against Paul's vocals.

Again, this is pretty much as I had anticipated it would go in regards to arrangement. I'm just telling you that it might take just a little longer than I had anticipated. Maybe the idea here is to go ahead and work an arrangement of my own with everything I have, and if it doesn't fly, I can backtrack and have another go at it and try to duplicate his arrangement. I can do non-destructive saves from here on out so we can backtrack if needed.

ac said...

trial and error method. paul seems to have followed the original idea of an intro, main body and an outro. i'm quite happy to follow through with that and work around the vocals. and if it takes a bit more work so be it. I'm really chuffed that you're taking the time and effort to do it. it's been a serious learning process for me :)

Keeper said...

Well I am quite sure I can do an arrangement that works musically. The thing that I am concerned about the most is living up to Paul's vision on this. I'm definitely having to move things around manually since the band has changed quite a bit. He has the beat coming in quite a bit sooner than your original arrangement.

So what I am doing for now is to take his vocals and work them more to your original arrangement. If it's too radical a departure I will backtrack, and adhere more to his. This is an experimentation time. Just keep in mind that we can work to his vision if you feel this is too fragmented from his audition. This is having to be done manually.

Phil. It might expedite this if you ask him to post his band arrangement too.

We have a method for exact alignment. What it does is allows us to put things EXACTLY where HE intends them to be by using clicks at the beginning of each track that is to be aligned. We make sure the clicks on the front of every track are aligned with one another and it takes all of the guesswork out or this. At this stage of the game there is a lot of guesswork involved to try to align my project tracks with his, since he has changed them considerably. So this method allows ME to align the tracks specifically the way HE intended. If he looks at this video he'll see what I mean. At the very least I'd like to have a mix of his band arrangement. But this method I'm linking will allow me to get it EXACTLY like his.

http://fjamhelp.blogspot.com/2009/02/transferring-clicks.html

If he could export an OMF file from logic it'd also do the trick. These clicks are failsafe as well.

In the meantime I am having a go at an entirely new arrangement. A melding of his and AC's original. He might like it and he might not (meaning Paul). If he doesn't then I will make an effort to get it exactly as he arranged it. The above link shows how we will accomplish this if and when that happens. Everyone reading this that hasn't see it should look at this video too.

Keeper said...

Here's what I did so far:

I imported all of Paul's tracks into my project. I listened to his audition track and figured out how he started out. I lined up his vocal track to start like his audition track, and then I made all of his tracks start at the same place. If the band arrangement had been the same as his it should have been synced all the way through. The band has changed in his arrangement so it doesn't line up all the way through. It really wouldn't take too much I think to make the band follow his vocals though.

So you all get to hear the drums I've been working on. Don't worry about them being dry for now. Dry is better for the mix stage. We are concerned about arrarngement at this point, not mix. We can deal with that once we have a suitable arrangement or once we have the tracks lined up like Paul's arrangement. This is easier than you might think once we decide.

I've made some very small changes. Like I moved one phrase to have a longer pause in front of it. Where he says "You've got your poison in me" has been moved back to have a longer pause in front of it.

It doesn't feel like the changes are on time to be with his vocal changes, thus my problem. You can really hear it in the bass. It changes late to his vocals in this mix.

Keeper said...

Oppps here's my excerpt:

http://www.4shared.com/file/89148904/e4537e0f/Taken_Keeper1.html<--click this

Keeper said...

Where he says "slowly disolving" it needs to have a chord change there just before it goes into the chorus.

You can hear it's not changing. I can find the change. I could find it by listening to his band mix. I'll go back and listen. It's not that far off, but enough I need to listen to it.

I have ideas already for my own arrangement. But I don't want to step on toes either. I'll keep working in the meantime.

Keeper said...

Here's an idea I had for the intro. It's a heartbeat effect. Something I had in the back of my mind for awhile. Decided to give it a demo. There are tons of things that can be done, but will Paul like it? That's the question.

http://www.4shared.com/file/89153602/ec0d32b6/Taken_Keeper2.html<--click this

There are a couple places it doesn't feel like the band stays with Paul in my current project mix.

Where he says "slowly disolving" it needs to have a chord change there just before it goes into the chorus. And the other is just like the same place later on. Where he says "has betrayed me". The chords feel like they should change to support him there? Maybe a bass augment? This definitely could use a better bass line in there. I would know what he's doing in there better after I study his arrangement more. I need to stop for now with my own ideas. I'll come back to this later and it'll be clear. A little fumble minded now, so away from console for a bit...


Many, many possibilities. Wideo open... Or no?

Inngr8 said...

Fred - I've forwarded copies of your comments to Paul - hoping to hear back from him, and I'm expecting him to provide those files you wanted. Phil

Inngr8 said...

And I think Paul mentioned that he considered his audition to be only that - a rough audition. Would it help to have him go back and redo the vocals? He mentioned he would be willing to do that if you need him to. Phil

Moose said...

From the inclinations, it seems the song has more of a specific direction after hearing keeper's drum mash-up with Paul's vocals.

Maybe it is time to take a cue from this and redo the drum, guitar and vocal parts to lock in and compliment the essential arrangement, allowing others the groundwork to start offering auditions to augment this work.

I'm hearing a couple of things I'd like to throw in the pot, if this is going where I think.

OR... maybe I should go back to my movie and leave the powers that be to it. LOL /;)

Inngr8 said...

Guess that would depend on the movie... just say Body of Lies - was definitely worth the 2-ish hours away from responsibility, time well invested. Also saw The Rocker - mainly mindless, but makes me wonder what Keeper is wearing when he drums... naked drummer indeed!!!

Keeper said...

Flirting with vomit there Phil.... LOL

Keeper said...

I listened to Taken_Keeper2.mp3 again today with fresh ears. The one with the heartbeats in the intro. Sounds better to me today. Even the changes do. I've been thinking it needs to hit a transition chord there but this doesn't sound half bad today. I think it will sound much better with at good bass in there. My intuition tells me to finish arranging the drums under it and post a bassless mix for bass auditions.

What say ye?

Moose said...

Quote: Keeper "My intuition tells me to finish arranging the drums under it and post a bassless mix for bass auditions."

Spidey sense, eh?

"If you build it - they will come." /;)

Inngr8 said...

If you puke, they will put it in their pockets.

F-Jam Alert said...

You guys are speaking in "Lyrics"....

Both yas could use what ya posted in a song...

Inngr8 said...

My ears are really uneducated, so there is no way I can support my preference, other than to say that I like one take better than the other... But at this point I like Taken_Keeper1 better than Taken_Keeper2. And some of the effects Paul used that sounded ok and seemed to work for the audition just aren't working for me now, but I can't say why. But having said that, I didn't like the transition versions of FR until everything else was added either. Lesson learned so far for me - you can really tell how vital a certain instrument is to a composition when it goes missing. Phil

Keeper said...

If you look at some of Paul's vocal track wavs, you see he has some of them super hot. I would even call them too hot. To the point that they distort. But it could be that he's done this purposely. I think they call it "LoFi", where they purposely trash a vocal with distortion. Because this effect is used so much in today's music I very often don't comment, because it could be done purposely. To my old school ear his vocal seems overdriven at times.

Having said that I like his dramatic flare quite a bit. He has a good voice and sings good harmonies.

The bottom line here is what AC thinks, since it is his music. I'd like to keep everyone happy but that doesn't often happen. You gotta keep in mind too that the drums are purposely dry. Quite often it happens that effects are applied before sent to mix and the mixer then is stuck with the effects that are applied. If he doesn't like them it's tough because it can't be undone at that point. So it's always better to record dry, and let the mix tech put the right effects on it.

A good case in point is Paul's overdriven vocal. Unless he resings it, or somehow lowers the input gain, we are stuck with that level. Where he sounds distorted, the levels are pegged.

I am very aware that some people purposely do this. I myself think there is a better way to apply distortion and trash a track than to peg the meters. Just my opinion.

Moose said...

Usually when distortion is applied to a normally clean track, it is done with tube simulators or 'warmers', not by digitally clipping a track while recording. This creates harsh, undesirable transients that can play havoc on both stereo systems and human ears.

Other than for demo or audition purposes; if folks want quality results - final tracks should start out dry (with the rare exception of say, a guitar effect that has to interact with a live amp in order to work) to allow the application of processing that will best get the part to 'sit in the mix' with everything else. I don't know if that approach is used here or not - but it's a standard among most pro studios.

I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here...

I really like Paul's voice, and I believe a submission of individual, clean tracks will present the opportunity for better results and more options for AC and the crew.

I'm going to go hide behind my keyboard now...

ac said...

as you should know by now, my week is pretty full, so i don't have much time to comment then.
Here's what i think of what's been happening to the song. The idea of having clean vocals and applying effects to it later seems logical. Paul's voice is brilliant but i find that, especially on the first verse, the vocals sound too harsh. so Moose you're just saying what i think anyway, and your input is most welcome. (you can come out from behind the keyboards now). I also think that there should be separates for the vocals on the separates folder so that people can use them to present their ideas.
As to the drums i'm really liking the riffs if not the overall dryness of the sound. but as it's been said before better to have clean dry sound and apply effects later. I'm unsure about the heartbeat intro yet. but that is easily edited in or out.
I could be stating the obvious here but in Paul's mix the intro is shortened to a single verse, omitting the chorus part of the song that i had in my original version. in Keeper's mixes he uses the whole intro, so the intonation of the vocals sounds kinda out of tune.

ac said...

i also like the idea of the pauses inserted in the vocals. will they work with the current structure of the song?

Keeper said...

I can add some effects to the drum temporarily. I just gotta remember to take it off when I export. And yes the heartbeat can be removed quite easily. It might sit getter in there with FX temporarily applied.

I am still gathering info just like everyone else, but the "out of tune" thing here's what I've been thinking:

-I am thinking a transition chord on the changes might help my mix. I can demonstrate this as soon as I get setup. It's an additional chord in there that my gut is telling me would better support the vocals on the changes. He does a sort of sweep on the vocals where the band changes from one chord to another. Another chord in there would perhaps help the band kinda graduate from one chord to the other, and in effect sweep under his vocal sweep. Don't know any other way to say it than a transition chord change. Right now you go from chord A to chord B. I'm proposing chords A, B, and C where B would be a quick in passing chord under his vocal sweep.

-My ear keeps going to the bassline as not helping the mix in my versions. I keep wanting to dump the bass and get auditions right away for this. Soon as I'm organized that's what I'll do. Even if it doesn't solve the problem, I suspect it'll point the way.

I hear what AC is saying about the out of tune, but I'm not sure I'd charatcerize it that way. As I said still gathering info and trying new ideas.

I'm not married to the heartbeat. FX might help that, and I could even get a real heartbeat sample for that instead and could add to the effect? The lyrics are very dramatic so this was an attempt in that direction. In the end if the heartbeat doesn't work, I'm cool with that. I like it but it needs refinement I agree if it works at all. Mostly because it's dry thought I think. Sound smore like a drum than a heartbeat.

I guess I don't have the problem looking past dry mixes that other people have. I can usually visualize two or three steps down the line and have ideas what to try.

We should not be afraid to say what we think, even if it's not right. It could very well point to the right way even if it's not the right way itself. Catalysts. Good writers and arrangers are not afraid to try things, because even in failure the success becomes more clear. If that happens it's not failed. It helped find the right way, but showing what doesn't work.

Keeper said...

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Quote ac said...

i also like the idea of the pauses inserted in the vocals. will they work with the current structure of the song?
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That's what I'm thinking A. ;-)

ac said...

like i said at the beginning of all this, this an open project so i'm open to new ideas (if i like them i'll keep'em) as to the heartbeat i agree that it will sound completely different with the proper effects on it.

Keeper said...

I'll post the vox seps too.

Inngr8 said...

Paul did the OMF file, but he says it is 130MB+ and he can't upload it. See Note from him below. Is there some way he can compress it or zip it and send it to you? If I upgrade to the premium 4shared it would take care of it, but is this a one time event or will I be facing files this size and larger in the future as well?

The OMF file is over 130mb. I am more than happy to send it it ........... BUT CAN'T!

:-)

Suggestions?

ac said...

phil, either winzip or wirar should do the job to compress the file. if you need the program i can send you a link for it

Keeper said...

Well AC this is yours and Phil's property, so don't be surprised if we keep checking with you. It can save time for us to do so. If we go al out and you don't like it we wasted a lot of time. It serves our purposes to keep our fingers on your pulse.

ac said...

my music has been up to now a trial and error process. it's part of the fun of it. trying something new on a piece that you're not happy with and all of a sudden it sounds so much better

Keeper said...

Yes tell him to zip or rar it to be smaller than 100 megs.

I do have an FTP server he could send to if he has an FTP client.

Tell him specifically zip or rar. Other formats of compression we may not be able to use. multiple compressed files should get him under the filesize. No need at all to buy premium for a 130 mb file Phil. 4shared. free will handle this quite easily if he uses compression. Zip or rar.

Keeper said...

AC Paul is a Mac user so it won't be WIN anything. ZIP or RAR Phil.

Inngr8 said...

Fred,
Paul uploaded the Taken.OMF.RAR to my 4shared acct - It is in the Doomsday folder with the separates he uploaded this weekend.
Phil

Keeper said...

Paul's vox seps are in the seps folder.

Keeper said...

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Quote Inngr8 ...

Fred,
Paul uploaded the Taken.OMF.RAR to my 4shared acct - It is in the Doomsday folder with the separates he uploaded this weekend.
Phil
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Thanks to the brothers Armstrong. Here' the link to the OMF if yas want to get it.


http://www.4shared.com/file/89324581/dda412ff/Takenomf.html

Keeper said...

Just a note to let you all know, I got his OMF file, uncompressed it with no problems at all (zero errors), and imported it into sonar straight away. What a cool system to jump platform and manufacturer DAWs, like this with no problems at all! If you ask me this is the way to go (OMF). SOme sort of standard that crosses all boundries like this. If OMF isn't the one and they use yet another format, the idea is fantastic! To export this automatically instead of the hour and a half it took me to manually export clean/dry separates .... well just say I really like the idea! I don't really care if OMF is the one format, but the idea flies here. Whether it's AAF (if I'm remembering it right), or broadcast wav, I'm for the standard format like this.

What I do know now is there is a direct link between Logic users, and me (sonar). If anything this makes things infinitely easier, not harder... It even striped all of his effects off! Nicely done Paul!

I now have his arrangement in my DAW, so it's make it a lot easier for me to work HIS arrangement if we decided that is required.

ac said...

downloaded the omf file and it doesn't appear to be supported by ableton. so i'm going to have to wait for my other computer to come back before i can try to open it.
Phil,
sorry about the winzip winrar. since i don't use a mac i forget that other people might.

Moose said...

I'm a bit confused. I've sent many .zip and .rar files to a MAC user, with no issues.

I'm sure they use a MAC app like Stuffit or other, but...?

Keeper said...

I didn't have any problems either. I've seen problems before from Mac users though with regards to compression. Like for instance they use a different syntax, so when I tried to do directory recurse, it wouldn't put them in the folder because the windoze didn't recognize their syntax. I ended up with files all in one folder that should have been divided up into separate folders and was quite a mess. I still got the files but had to sort them all out.

As far as the discussion with AC goes he said to tell Paul to use WinRAR or WinZIP. My reply was we don't tell a Mac user to use anything WIN.....

Just zip and rar. There have been zero problems this time. Hope this helps...

Keeper said...

Moose you talking about my comments about the cross platform OMF thing? So what format did you use to send back and forth? Something standard I bet, like WAV or AIFF? Yeah me too, but as I said that's a lot of work. I'm talking about project files where everything is included in one project file. The OMF format files was one large file that opened up and loaded about 15 wavs right into sonar. You saying you've been sending project files like that always? If so what format goes between Logic and Sonar? Certainly not cwb. It's not a standard. It's cakewalk only. And I'm sure Logic saves in logic only format too. Also not a standard. OMF is. That's the jist of my comments.

I didn't need to do all of the wav exporting. 1 automatic project file.

Moose said...

Noooooo... I was just curious about MAC users not being able to use .zip and .rar files - which was not what was meant; only to not to refer to WIN when talking to a MAC user.

We transferred files the hard way - all waves; and the others were working with partial mixes from me like the audition files here (I was the only one doing mix production).

Keeper said...

I hope to steal some time to work on this today. Watch this space.

Moose said...

Watching... preamp is on standby. /;)

Inngr8 said...

I forwarded the email re: the distortion - good song title btw, and will let you know when as soon as I hear back from him. He mentioned at the outset that he didn't mind doing another take with better equipment. He's also said he just intended that first submission as an audition.
Phil

Keeper said...

Looking forward to it Phil. He has tons of talent. Just gotta watch pumping up the tracks...

Cool.

F-Jam Alert said...

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Quote Moose:

Here's a pre-emptive strike on a graphic for Taken.

M
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Taken.jpg<---Click this

Keeper said...

Roughed out bassless mix. I will do more customizing once we get the vocals in place:

http://www.4shared.com/file/89856276/b3f9694e/Taken_Bassless.html<---Click this

ac said...

my computer is back!! :D managed to open the OMF file and as you said it opens all tracks recorded. they all opened automatically at very high volume. so high the sound was really distorted. any ideas why this happens?
btw, cool graphic Moose!!

Keeper said...

I've been thinking maybe Paul normalized them to a very high threshold. Only he would know if that's true or not. If he's going to do this they recommend no higher than -16 db for music. I didn't check how high his threshold is, but it's probably 0db.

He's redoing it as we speak I believe. Ok so Moose joins the roster as graphic artist. I believe he said he will be auditioning bass too.

Glad you got your 'puter back A.

ac said...

can't wait to hear the new vocals!!

Inngr8 said...

The studio Paul uses was booked up with another project this passed weekend, but I spoke with him earlier and he says he will be recording tonight, and will try to get the files uploaded tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.
Phil

Moose said...

I've put together a feel for a bassline; but I'm going to wait to work it with the vocals one time before finishing it up for audition.

Having fun with it though!http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jY_S_dS9_CU/SQaC2_NqIsI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/93lotc_-Q2k/s1600-h/th_signs136.gif
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jY_S_dS9_CU/SQaC2_NqIsI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/93lotc_-Q2k/s1600-h/th_signs136.gif

Moose said...

Geez - how do you edit these comments? That long string of text was supposed to be a 'Smiley' that said "Insert evil laugh here" - LOL. /;)

F-Jam Alert said...

Moose-

Unfortunately the COMMENTS of these blogs doesn't let you put graphics in. I've been pushing blogger to get them to improve their comments....

The only place the graphics works is in the ORIGINAL posts. On this studio blogs the ORIGINAL posts are the actual projects. In the ORIGINAL posts they allow full HTML.

Now on the Discussion blog it's more common for people to post ORIGINAL topic posts where they can use extensive graphics. I'm gonna subscribe you to the Discussion Blog so you can try some of the graphics out. It's a lot like the forums where HTML is concerned, except comments under ORIGINAL posts is limited to what you can do. I wish they'd let us use code and post graphics in the comments.

Moose said...

Ahhh... now I ///javascript//javascript:///[b][color=3]see![/hide] // /;)

Inngr8 said...

Let's try this one more time. Paul apparently has been having equipment problems and failures all week. He says he borrowed a mic that will deffo get the job done, and promises that he will have some vocal tracks to upload in the sometime tomorrow - probably mid afternoon EST. Hopefully we can get this back on track with no more delays.
Phil

Keeper said...

Hope he has his equipment problems under control Phil. THanks for the update, and tell Paul we said thanks too.


:-)

ac said...

excellent stuff Phil. thank paul for us for all his efforts.

Inngr8 said...

We have another delay (about one MORE week). Paul got the opportunity to take a paying gig at a recording studio in DC - can't believe my brother is dumping me for $$$. Anyway - I know there are some other projects active at the moment, and it probably isn't a big deal, but I'm sorry for the delays and hope to get back on track with this song as soon as possible. Maybe, if he feels bad enough for the delays, I can get him to do more vocals on some other songs and promise not to delay those. And since he is my brother he'll do everything I ask with a smile and a "Yes sir, right away Sir". Not even in my dreams. I'll get back to writing lyrics and keep everyone updated on the status of his vocals for Taken.
Phil

Moose said...

LOL - must be one heck of a gig. /;)