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(Pop) No Time To Waste (Pop, Bass, Drums, Keys, Leads, Arrangement, Leo G,)

40 comments:

F-Jam Alert said...

Project initiated:

http://fjamstudios.blogspot.com/2009/06/pop-no-time-to-waste-pop-bass-drums.html<---Click this

F-Jam Alert said...

Leo-


If you setup a folder on YOUR 4shared.com like you did your other project, and send me the link etc. I will put it into the project page, and transfer control of the files to you.

Keeper said...

I really like this one Leo. You do seem to sing better with a guitar in your hand.

I will wait for you to write the rest before i jump in and begin auditioning.


Very nice mate!


:-)

Keeper said...

Lyrics suggestion:

"Like a dream we claim for more"

Makes more sense if you said it:

"Like a claim we dream of more"

Or you could say:

"Like a dream we ask for more"

1oneleo said...

Thank´s Fred!
The mean was to connect this part: "Body feels" >>with "like a dream" ("" that we claim for more) >> feels like a dream, but the vocal line changes the connection cause begin´s a new compass, but we can change yes.
I´ll review this part.

1oneleo said...

You saw how the environment and the moment has influence over my vocal... I need to feel the beat to change my mood. It´s hard to get it in front of a mic and a LCD Display...hehehe. Maybe in a Studio the things change...

Keeper said...

Well it was an attempt on my part to correct your grammar Leo. I am not too sure about your use of the words "claim" and "for" together. Some things that work better with the word claim would be:

"claim of",
"claim to"

Keeper said...

Yes indeed we saw this. It is true that recording in a studio environment takes a totally different mindset than playing live with a band. This is why a lot of people are not into the studio thing. But to me to just do the band thing never gives you the opportunity to explore your writing, and to make these high fidelity recordings. I've done the band thing for 35 years, and I know what you are speaking of. I sometimes have a hard time getting my mind straight to record in the studio too. I just feel this takes time, patience and experience. I would oftend do 6 or 7 takes and try to use the best one, because the mindset would keep me from doing it in the first take.

That might be what you need to do Leo. When you go into record mode, do about 6 or more takes, and use the best. It also helps if you warm up vocally before you ever begin recording. That is if you have time for that sort of thing.

1oneleo said...

Cool Fred, tks!
For now on I´ll try to rec this way, more takes and select the besto of them, I think it turns easy the job!
For the Lyrics I´ll need your help it´s welcome, cause I still have many dificulties with english grammar.
I saw you post comments in some other projects, there really ones paused for a Year?... so much time.

Keeper said...

If you setup your recorder to be in loop mode it will play the song one take after another, without stopping and you can use the best. So in a short time you will have many takes to choose from and probably the later takes will be better, because you are warmed up.

If you have a countin at the front of the song it also gives the singer time to get ready for a new take. The point being to have your recorded in loop mode so it records one take after the other until you are tired. Save all takes and listen back and choose at your leisure.


Actually there are other projects on the list with even longer pauses. You might even say they are dead. It is very common for musicians to just stop responding to their own projects and let them die. I don't spend a lot of time waiting. I move to other projects very soon. They might have a reason for not responding, but more often it's just because musicians are weird people, and curtesy to others is not high on their priority list.

They could learn a lot from the likes of Moose. He at least had the curtesy to let us know he would be busy with other things and to not look for his participation.

Even with family, jobs, emergencies, etc. there is no reason for no response for such long periods. It means no interest, and the project is dead. So I just let it die with them. Many have just dropped off the list completely. You will see inactive projects disappear and be replaced with new. It's just a fact.

Your new project that was posted replaced one such project that the owner just let die. Far be it from me to push. They want to let it die, so it dies... Time wasted...

breakfree74 said...

Hey Leo - nice effort there - i'll be interested in hearing how this shapes up you have a good voice and this bodes well for this particular track

cheers
Richard

1oneleo said...

I have to find more time, I think this weekend I can finish the lyrics and rec the base guit. I´m starting a new project in my job...it consumes all my brain, body and soul hahaha...
Thank´s for the commentary! I´m trying to hear your 2nd album but my internet connection is not working well today...I heard 1 song, bourbon blues..rocks!

1oneleo said...

Hi Fred! how are you...ok?
I´m posting the 2nd verse...I think it will need some corrections, I´m a little tired today, maybe some things dont make sense...but here it is:

(after ooo heart can taste...)

All these years
Playing alone
The same game

I´m tired of wacth my tries go wrong
I run, go fast but I´m always slow

Run for free like never before
Try to Fly high but I still hit the floor

If I could get one wing from the Lord
Ill fly for ever and complain no more

But
I lost my inocense
I lost my inocense

Just a pagan carring in my back
The world of living in a one way track

ooo
No time to waste
ooo
No time to waste

1oneleo said...
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1oneleo said...

Tomorow I´ll rec the base and post it here...we can start to develop this song!
I hope you be good, and everyting is ok with you!
cheers

Keeper said...

Hi Leo-

I'm trying to get caught up after some time with no power here. Storms came through and knocked down power lines, so we went for some time with no city power. I have a good new generator, so we ran that while it was off, but the internet cable had no power. I could run my freezer/fridge, fans, DVD, lights etc, and I have a cell phone, so we had the basics, but no internet, so I was off here for awhile.

It's back now. We have this happen a couple times a year, so it's good I own a generator. I wish we had our power lines underground like a lot of people do.

Keeper said...

I am seeing some things in the lyrics that I would recommend. I want to get my thoughts together and I will say...

Cool...

1oneleo said...

Now is changing seasons, its time for the storms there?
I hope it stops soon... I´m searching for a new job, new city, then means, no rush for the songs...but we´ll working as we can.
Take care friend!

Keeper said...

It's summer time here. Lots of storms. We have such problems when it is hot, and cold as well. Having the electric wires on poles is not a good idea anymore here.

At least I could keep my freezer running and not have food spoilage. I have it better than a lot of people so I try not to complain.

I saw an old friend two days ago, who is afraid of loosing his home and becoming homeless. My problems are small compared to his.

Yes this job you have seems to devour you Leo. It would be good for you to have a job that allows you to enjoy life a little more. So I understand your decision for a new job. I believe it is a good move Leo. You will become old before your time with your present job. I can feel your stress at this one. I wish you all the best.

As you see i don't push your time Leo. As long as we speak and know what is going on you can take all the time you need and not worry about it stopping. I like to take my own times as well. No pressure from me.

You are doing well with your communications, so don't push yourself for the time. When you get to it you get to it. Just don't be silent for too long and don't worry the schedule.

Keeper said...

Leo-

If you would put all of your lyrics for this into ONE layout (verse, chorus etc), I will go over them and make recommendations for some changes. I'd also like to hear it sung (when you get time).

Keeper said...

Leo-

I got the lyrics outline you sent via e-mail. I'll work on this tomorrow when i get into the studio. It's late here now. Tomorrow is another day!

Keeper said...

Ooops I posted the unchanged lyrics. My bad. Here is the edited version:

---------------

---Verse
I wanna try
Wanna feel
Damm again
I want to live like days before
When I was boy and always looked for more
I want those days but they are gone
I lost my inocence and body feels
Like a dream I want for more
My eyes get opened and you close the door
You lost your inocense
You lost your inocense
Like the first time you touch the love
A brand new flavor that your heart can taste
-- Ref --
ooo
No time to waste
ooo
No time to waste
---Verse
All these years
Playing alone
The same game
I'm tired of wacthing my tries go wrong
I run so fast but alas it's slow
Running free like never before
Try to fly high but I hit the floor
If I am lifted from the Lord
Ill fly for ever and complain no more
But
I lost my inocense
I lost my inocense
Just a pagan carry on my back
The world of living on a one way track
-- Ref --
ooo
No time to waste
ooo
No time to waste

...many times I've needed
---------------

1oneleo said...

Cool Fred Thanks for the help ;-)
Well I was resolving some problems and get sick... but I´m back with news... I post the first complete base line , mixed (FX) and...if you guys approve i post separated de base guit and vocs.

1oneleo said...

The MIX Link:
http://www.4shared.com/file/116653478/267bf45d/notimetowastemixFX.html

Keeper said...

Leo-

Sorry to hear you have been sick... and glad you are better now. I've been a little busy with some php studies myself. Trying to learn how to install cli. Do you know about php?

I'll check out your bass track tomorrow. It's been a long day behind the console for me. I want to be fresh when I listen...

Keeper said...

Leo I did listen a little bit to your new mix. I think you're using the new lyric edits on that right? I like the vocals, guitar, and the lyrics now. I am not sure about the bass. It feels quite sparse.

I am not sure how that would go with drums. Are you wanting to keep this an acoustic, laid back type thing? It kinda feels like you've slowed it down or made it more mellow with the guitar, compared to the first take you posted?

The first one you posted feels more rythmic. This new one feels more mellow and or acoustic feeling?

Let me say this now.... I really like the dynamics of how you are singing this. You sing the verses softer than the punch it up on the chorus. I really like that.

My opinions on the bass depend on what direction you arte wanting to go with this. If you want it to remain kind of mellow then we won't do much drums/percussion, and the bass has a better chance that way. If you'd like to rock it up a little then I don't think the bass will hold up. It's quite laid back. I even had some difficulties picking it out in the mix. I'll listen tomorrow with fresh ears...

1oneleo said...

Hi Fred. yes I´m usind the edited lyric, but I sing wrong "these days" the first verse...the end is right..I forgot in the rec time...haha.
It is more mellow, because I changed the speed and used a eletric unless my acoustic guitar. But there´s no bass yet.. I make this effect using one finger on the low steels when I play the chords...its only guit and vox.
It is very different from the first idea...but it comes when I was creating the intro in my guitar...inspiration...and I continue at the same level, but I can make another version, more folk.
Sometimes I fly high when I´m composing...I imagine myself in a stadium rocking...hahahaha

Keeper said...

You have good contrast between the verses and the chorus. That's what I was saying I liked about your latest. It's good the way you pick up the volume in the chorus, and it helps the dynamics. You could maybe help it with the guitar too. Do the picking style during the verse to support the low feel, and then strum it harder and more percussive under the chorus similar to your first take. A mixture of both styles. That will really help the dynamics.

I am a little concerned about the harmonies Leo. Are you open to some coaching for what yo sing for harmony? I believe I can give you suggestions as to what notes specifically to sing to harmonize. I can demo it on the piano or using synth voice and then you can try singing it and you'll see better harmonies.

You have a good voice Leo. A good feel. I just think you need to study the harmony line a little so you know exactly what to sing. I hear you struggling to find what to sing in harmony. I can help if you are open to it.

This has great potential.


No wonder I was having a hard time hearing bass. You said bass audition so I was thinking you played a bass. Now it makes sense why.

Ok well maybe soft verse and rocked up chorus? So we'd need a more rythmic bass under the chorus. Sparse bass on verse would be ok then... CHorus needs to hit it with the band and pick it up IMHO.

I could maybe do a drum track if you can supply guitar and vox lead. That might help develop the bassline.

Wonder if I could talk Ashley into auditioning backing vox harmonies.

If I had my voice I'd eat this backing vox up. It's right up my alley (American slang, meaning I could sing this).

1oneleo said...

The corrected lirics are very good Fred Thank you for the help!! We can use it as the final!
I think the drums will be a chanlenge, it have to be simple and can not change the the feel...it have to appear in the turns, and brakes a little...its how I imagine, but your ideas always fits in the songs and walk with the lines...
There some spaces for solo guitars and bass too.

Keeper said...

Yes during the verse the drums would have to be sparse too, or maybe even no drums at all, but the chorus it could be rocked.


I see one thing yet in the lyrics that I'd change Leo. A small thing but it'd make better sense to change

"If I am lifted from the Lord"

to

"If I am lifted by the Lord"


change "from" to "by"


"from the Lord" means going away from the Lord, so "by the Lord" is better.

yes I like this song. It could be worked up to save the feel.

Keeper said...

Ok well I'm out of the studio for the night. Good work on the vox Leo.

1oneleo said...

OOps I post the comment and now I saw your new post... hehehe
OK, we can mix the ideas, and its opened for auditions the backing vocals too..even the vocal if someone want to try...
The problem here at home is the space to practice and to experience high vocals...I dont have a place to do it and no even time because of my job... and my equipment its only to do the basic...but I can accept your suggestions and try to repoduce it here... I´m always learning.

1oneleo said...
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1oneleo said...

Again...hahaha you posted first.
OK I´ll correct the lyric.
Good night Fred.
Listen to this mix again tomorrow with clean ears...maybe it sounds different, but we will continue changing the song...

F-Jam Alert said...

Lyrics updated in the "Project Status" window of this project page.

kenny_b said...

hello.

Some good acoustic and vocals there.

What instrument do you want to record next?

kenny_b said...

Hello.....anyone still aboard this ship?

What is the BPM on this?

There is some distortion on the guitar track....could be a string buzzing...

F-Jam Alert said...

kenny_b said...

Hello.....anyone still aboard this ship?

What is the BPM on this?

There is some distortion on the guitar track....could be a string buzzing...

September 19, 2009 7:07 AM


I haven't heard from Leo in weeks. Not sure what's going on with him, or this project. I will have to go back and review this one, and see if I have a project setup for this with my software yet. I know I wanted to get the separated tracks to work with. Don't remember if we got them or not. I've been working with friends on private sessions for awhile, but if we got the BPM and separates I'd move on this.

Leo?

1oneleo said...

Sorry, I was working in some changes on my life ;-) ... I was under a lot of pressure on my job and resolving some family problems. The forum was a little slow thats why I take some music vacations... it was good to me.
Well this song if someone want to go on, I think its better remake the base guitar like the start track (style) cause its the soul of the song...and more happy too.
I pretend to do only the vocal line for this one, the instr. part is all opened.
Well...is good to know that thing here keep walking!

F-Jam Alert said...

As I said it'd help to have the vox and guitar on separate tracks, and also to know the BPM (tempo).