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F-Jam Alert said...

Project initiated:

http://fjamstudios.blogspot.com/2009/03/rock-n-roll-bolt-action-reaction-bass.html<---Click this

Phil, notice we left a place for you to paste in your lyrics at the bottom of the "Status Window".

F-Jam Alert said...

Moose-

You gotta go into that folder and turn the permissions on for upload rights. The upload form is not visible yet. Let me know if you need help on this. I think you just go into that folder (make sure you are logged in as you), and right click in there and turn the permion on by putting a checkmark in for upload rights. Everything else seems to be in order.

Moose said...

Y'know I looked at that and it did not register at the time... of course others need to be able to upload - LOL!

Done, and ready for action. Lock'n'load. /;)

Keeper said...

Moose (Angus) Lewis... LOL Me digs...

Inngr8 said...

ok - spent 20 minutes trying to get the lyrics uploaded and couldn't do it. Then I came here to ask for help and I see the lyrics are up - is that something I inadvertently did by opening the folder, or did someone else help out? I had intended on adding Moose as a co-writer to the lyrics since he did some modifications (slash and burn? too funny - if it makes it a better song I'm all for it), but that change didn't take. So if you are ok with it Moose, I'll figure out how to edit the lyrics and add you.
Phil

Moose said...

Oh - and FYI, the basic chord structure is outlined in the Lyrics & Info text file... if anyone needs.

Cheers!

Inngr8 said...

Not sure what happened, but I had the lyrics posted, and now I can't see them again.
Phil

Keeper said...

I put them in Phil. All you'd need to do is go into edit mode (gotta be logged into th wiki), and "paste" them into the wiki, down at the bottom where I left room for lyrics. Not uploading, but pasting...

Moose said...

Phil - no worries. I just edited YOUR lyrics.
They're your credits... I got the music.

Say - do you think my vocals sound... strained? LOL

Those are also some of the crappiest harmony parts I've ever done - I luv 'em! /;)

Keeper said...

Yep all set for uploads Moose. Phil, looks like you removd my work. Try pasting it back in there.

Keeper said...

Make sur you hit "save" at the botto once done editing the wiki Phil.

Inngr8 said...

Took Moose back out as a co-writer on the lyrics - Just say the word Moose and I'll add you back in. Not sure why all the lyrics are underlined, but I can't find an option to remove that. I add the chord info you had in the folder - if you think it makes the page too cluttered I can remove it.
As far as your voice, Moose, I think you have a real AC/AD thang goin' - but it's sounds like it might hurt to me :) Can't wait to hear the song as it develops a bit.

Moose said...

It all looks status quo to me?! Do I detect the Keeper's F-Jam hand in this? Heh-heh...

AC/DC??? I thought it sounded like Yes! /;)

You know what they say, "No pain - no grain alcohol!" (No, it didn't hurt... well, maybe when I listen to it too loud). Turn it up!

F-Jam Alert said...

Moose-

You should now have access to PBwiki so you can edit the status of your project at will now. If you do it from firefox it'll remember you and let you edit it right from the project page. See Edit Help in the status window for a video tutorial.

Moose said...

I remember P Bwiki from grade school - he was the kid that ate all the brown crayons out of the box, 'cause he thought they were chocolate.

Yeah - I signed in and checked it out. What kind of edits would I be making?

F-Jam Alert said...

Mostly it's for updating the status of the project so newcommers get updated status info, with a quick glance. But it's your project Moose, you can put anything you want in the wiki. Lyrics, (already there), chords, smilies can go in there if you like. And too you can udate the "Latest Mix", or add custom mix links in there to make them easier to find. Just above the lyrics you see a link called "Edit Help" which is another Flash video with some helpful tips. Really not much to edit unless the status changes and needs updating, or the latest mix needs to be linked. If you keep that status up to date it helps curb a million question asked by newcommers to the page. That's really all it's about. So you don't have to answer a million questions every time a newcommers joins the site... But I know ya like graphics. Smilies etc work well in the wiki.

F-Jam Alert said...

I can make the size of the iframe automatically resize itself (scrollbars), or I can add size to it if you need more room. Just holler and you get bigger window if you need it. I have full control over it so it's not a problem is something is getting obscured.

The wiki uses "history" so it's easy to backtrack if it gets messed up. That's what I did to help Phil with the lyrics. I'm just trying to get him used to editing in lyrics when he needs to. It's easy to backtrack.

ac said...

yeah bro!! rock'n'roll ain't noise pollution!! great track, buckets of fun:)

MLINYHI said...

Fuggin cool. Major AC-DC vibe goin on...and I love that AC-DC-especially the Bon Scott years. Bon Scott was the man. I think you should pitch this to AC-DC. Maybe itll show up on their next cd..

Moose said...

Hey... they DO have MONEY. Hmmmmmmmm...

Thanks all - my goal was to get with Phil and come up with something that would be fun for some folks to play on...

... and get it posted before I went ahead and finished the whole thing - lol. Step away from the console, Moose. I gotta get me a new hat! /;)

Inngr8 said...

A NEW hat? whatever for? Looks like you might be wearing half a dozen at the same time :)

Keeper said...

Mooo-

I will be watching this, and give some of the other drummers a chance to jump in if they are going to. If they don't do that soon, I'll offer up an audition. There are some other drummers who could do this up nicely if they are paying attention...

Inngr8 said...

Admittedly I don't have calibrated ears (Spock I'm Not), but the vocals sound a little bit muted to me. Is that intentional, or can they be amped up or brought to the "front" a bit?

I may have just inspired myself with the spock comment - think there might be a song in there somewhere.

Moose said...

I will bring the vocals out more when there is a full complement of instruments - esp. bass, to work with in an actual mix; although in this type of music they don't sit on top like a ballad or pop song.

This is designed to jam over and focuses on the rhythm guitar for the changes - the only established part at this point (other than the vocals).

No worries, Phil!

Moose said...

Just added a graphic...

Once again illuminating the philosophy I adhere to - the more serious a subject, the more the music needs to distract you from it so it will take hold. Not quite subliminal, but infectious.

I save the sad music for more personal, centralized subjects like love, depression, etc...

The nature of the vocals and music of this genre usually requires printed lyrics to fathom anyway.

How many of your favorite Rock tunes have you had to look up the lyrics to find out what they were actually singing? Most people come up with some pretty funny stuff that they think they hear. /;)

Keeper said...

Interesting graphic Moose! Gotta find my reading glasses so I can read what it says on it....

Resized the window to make everything visible again... Cool!

Moose said...

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Inngr8 said...

I totally agree that with this type song the vocals aren't really meant to be understood - they are just another instrument. I just felt they were too much in the background, but looks like that is something you intended for now and are taking care of as the song evolves, so no worries at this end. I don't think I've ever heard a great hard rock song that I knew what they were singing - esp. pre-internet when I could just google the lyrics. We might be on to something.

Moose said...

What happens with a powerful Rock song (I am guilty of this and trying to overcome it), if the vocals are too present in the mix, the overall impact of the tonal power of the sound suffers; and can leave the big Rock song sounding small. This is a double issue for me since I have a deeper voice (well, on most stuff I do - lol) that is harder to pull out of a mix without that happening.

But I am gradually learning to make it happen. If you notice, in the old analog days whenever you heard deeper vocals in Rock, the guitars were always thin sounding - not the mega stomp thick & bottomy power chords we hear today... and that is why; the lower vocals would be lost against them. Now digital clarity has given us the ability to make it work - but I'm still wrapping my ears around it.

By all the Gods, I love the digital age and what it has done for music all the way 'round!

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Inngr8 said...

See how much I can learn by asking questions? I've never had the perspective on music that I've been gaining recently - I would dissect the lyrics and if the music sounded good, that was a bonus. Involvement on this site has me delving deeper into the mechanics of the music, and why stuff gets done and how it all integrates into a listenable song. Just hoping it doesn't rob the songs of too much of their magic, with me looking behind the curtain, as it were.

Keeper said...

Well as I said before Phil, the site is just where we meetup. The real goldmine is the "people". When this site works and we make decent music and learn and make friends etc, it is about people. People make the site work...

Unfortunately just the opposite is true as well. When the site doesn't work, and gets dead, it's because the people aren't jumping in. Lurking as it were. It is the quickest way for a site or project to die...

It just so happens that we've hooked up with some folks who are very interested in this stuff, and are very serious about it. Imagine how this place would be if we had about 4 times as many serious people jumping in? You guys are making this site work, and actually because people are looking in will help it grow too. And the good thing is we are able to do all of this in our spare time... The internet really has helped us... F-Jam's motto is really ture these days.

"The World Is One Large Recording Studio".

F-Jam Studios is actually Moose's Studio, & Sean's Studio, and Ed's Studio, and Fred's Studio, all hooking up in a central place. It's why it's plural. It's not F-Jam Studio, It's "studios" all hooking up at F-Jam, or F-Jam Studios. Without all the different studios it'd just be F-Jam Blog. LOL. People make it go round...

Thanks for that everyone!

F-Jam Alert said...

Ok it's been a couple days, so we're gonna do some advertizing, with some Mass Invites. If still no nibbles, I'll jump into action. I'll send them out today and if nothing by say, Saturday, I'll jump into action. I want to give them a decent chance first....

Moose said...

Maybe they're just workin' on sumpin'!

I figured this would be a good opportunity for folks to have some fun and exercise their chops...

Send out the invites... I'm gonna cool my heels on this one and wait awhile. I'm in no rush.

Thanks F-J!

F-Jam Alert said...

Ok we edited the forwarding rule in outlook express to be more specific in hopes of stopping the double notification. Let me know if you still get double notified Moose. Thanks...

Keeper said...

I'm only too happy to jump in on this, but I like to give people a chance once in awhile. I know a lot of them are busy, but it might happen that they want in on it. Sooooo....

F-Jam Alert said...

Hopefully I've fixed the double notification Moose. Let me know if you see anymore after this post.

I was messing with the forwarding rules in outlook express and I guess I had it wrong. Should be ok now.

Thanks for the Heads Up

Moose said...

Eeeeeeverything's luvly! Thangzzz...

Keeper said...

I'm starting on this one today...

Keeper said...

Ok this is roughed out. If you like WHAT I'm doing I can go through and relax the parts against each other. It PUSHES a bit, but that's easy enough to fix... I need to go through it with a fine tooth comb too and clean a few of my parts up, but this is my audition in general.

http://www.4shared.com/file/95490685/363294ab/Bolt_Action_Reaction_Drums1.html<---Click this

Moose said...

Yes. I particularly like what you're doing with the refrain... cool.

Keeper said...

I'd like to tweak the parts against the drums, if you could post separates. The two guitar parts work well against each other to be thick, so I don't want to correct the timing against one another.That could actually ruin the thick wall of guitar you have going. If you could render them togther as 1 stereo mix, I will treat them as one and tweak them as a stereo mix. Rather than two separate guitar parts.

Moose said...

I... can do that. But - they won't be the final separates for this. I've got a place to fix on the second refrain of the vocals, and the first rhythm guitar is actually two tracks I am using temporarily until I can retrack it... it gets out of sync in a few places that bug me, and I'm set up in the middle of another project today.

But I'll grab a mix of the guitars and a mix of the vocals and upload them for you to work with, since you're putting your time and energy into this today.

Big thanks, Keeper!

Keeper said...

Ok but the main thing is to treat the two guitars you have as of now, as one stereo. If I tweaked the sparately I could ruin what you have going. Cool. Yeah you'll be able to retrack at will what you want to. I'll edit the roster and update the status. Once we have a tweaked mix with drums I'll send out nw invites for bass, and leads.

Moose said...

Keeper - the vocal and the guitar mixes are uploaded in the Separates folder.

Have at you! /;)

Keeper said...

Moose if you want more kick in the verse I can do that. I purposely left it sparse, and I was thinking you'd fill it in with the bass. AC-DC does a lot of that. Let me know if you want more kick in there. I actually purposely didn't put more in there, and also only hit some of the accents, leaving every other time straight for accents.

Keeper said...

I was gonna work on this some more tonight, but my youngest son just asked me if I wanted to watch "Battle For Adisa) at least I think that's what he said.... About the Iraq War? So I'm gonna start the downloads of the separates, and watch this with him. I was geared up for a good night behind the console here, but I'm opting for family. I may get started later tonight (with phones), and for sure tomorrow. Looking forward to hearing yer bass Moose.

Yeah there are a lot of ways to skin this sort of beat, so if you want more kick in places I'd be glad to work it for ya. I purposely kept it sparse on the kick, but I can, and will put in more if that's what yer hearin...

I am pretty sure I know what you are getting at, but I'll wait to put any more in there based on what you've said about your bass.

My intent with the sparse bass was to intentionally let the bass take up a lot of room, but it's not problem to make adjustments for ya. For now I'm holding off until you confirm, cuz I think you have a work up comming....I'm watching.

Moose said...

I just popped a bass into the separates folder for you to grab, Keeper... and I'm taking it off of the up for auditions list.

Where are all the bass players anyway? I see a few project in need of a good bump'n'grind.

Hopefully we'll hear from some players with intent to join in.

Cheers!

Moose said...

Oh - and I won't be posting an updated mix that includes the bass until Keeper tweaks his drums, unless someone specifically requests it.

Keeper said...

Ok here's a new drum track with your bass mixed in. I am going to listen to this a little while and refine what I'm thinking about this all before I do anymore changes. I tried to do the suggestions. It's sounding pretty good now. Better for sure, but there are still things I think need to be addressed. I want to do this with fresh ears.

http://www.4shared.com/file/95649233/f3fc6ab9/Bolt_Action_Reaction_DrumsBass.html<---Click this

Moose said...

Let me know when you're ready to post the seps. Sounding good!

Thanks!

Keeper said...

Just a few loose ends I want to tie up, and I will post the seps Moose. A couple small things that still stick in my craw.... I'm sure it'll be some time Monday...

Moose said...

Cool!

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Keeper said...

Moose-

I wanted to do more on the build up that you have on this. I hear ya doing a run just before the build up on the bass, so I've added some more support under that. Also I put a tom roll in on ever other alternated part under the verse (where I don't do the accent) to help break that up.

When I listened to the drums alone, I noticed more un-natural sounds caused by my edits. They are much more evident when hearing the drums alone, so I've been fixing those too. I started out trying to do more support for the bass runs you have setup in there, and opened a can of worms. I think I have it fixed, but won't really know until I listen again to just drums.

Just wanted you to know what the delay is. I actually haven't even put the guitar and vocal seps in yet. Been working against the drumless mix for now, because I am still working on the WHAT, before I worry about tweaks. I've tweaked a bit so it's sounding tight, but not the guitar and vox seps yet.

Just a heads up. I'm getting there.I want this to sound good when the drums are soloed so I'm having to fix some edits.

Keeper said...

Ok Moose, this is feeling much better to me now... This is how we would sound after a week or so of rehearsal as a band. When with a band I ALWAYS record rehearsals, and listen to myself and develop my drum parts to compliment, and so you would see it get tighter and tighter as we rehearsed. From one recording to the next you'd see my drum parts compliment more and more. That's what's going on here. I have it at about 98% in this mix. I've heard a few things even after rendering this. But you'll notice it getting much tighter just in this mix. Here's what to listen for:


Ride bell in intro-

Open hyhat in section where I'm not doing the crash accents, alternated with tom rolls in same place to break things up.


Toms supporting your bass run just before the buildups now, making the buildups much bigger.

Ending syncropated. I have one last thing on this ending I will put in to help the syncro, but it's almost there in this mix.

I want to take yet another break as it really helps me to step away and come back. This helped me pick up on the bass runs I had missed before. Hang in there man...

http://www.4shared.com/file/95820723/246e4249/Bolt_Action_Reaction_Drums3.html<--Click this

I think it's sounding more and more like a band all the time...

Keeper said...

I've been listening to this lates mix over and over at high volume Moose! This is really KICKIN ASS!
Should hear this on my monitors and with the 300 watt sub crankin....

The house is cookin over here man!

You ROCK Moose!

I'm hooked on this progression.... Can't wait until this is done up right.... It's gonn knock down walls! Almost is NOW!

Moose said...

Rock candy... heh,heh.

Yeah, it's sounding good Keeper! I like the changes.

I'm having to deal with technical issues today, but I'd like to get the seps for this as soon as they're ready.

Thanks!

Moose said...

I just updated the latest mix to your last link... and took drums off of the future plans list.

Cheers!

Keeper said...

Sorry to be so slow on this Moo, but as you can see it's helping me considerably to step back and listen... This last mix I'm feeling much better about. I'll try not to keep you waiting too long. If I don't hurry it means less backtracking though.... I'm on it man...

Moose said...

NO worries M8! Keep doing what yer doing.

MLINYHI said...

What else you looking for on this song?

Keeper said...

http://www.4shared.com/file/95951448/2660eace/Bolt_Action_Reaction_Drum_Sep.html<---Click this

I'm still working on the rest...

Moose said...

MLINYHI, I'm still looking for contributions for lead guitar, which I will be editing/arranging in with what I have planned for it. I've got some Rock'n'Roll slide work in my head.

Keeper said: I'm still working on the rest...

So this is not the finished seps for the drums? If that is what you mean, I'd rather wait until they are done.

I am going to retrack some bits (a little of everything here and there), and I don't want to chance doing it over beats that might change.

I've gotten strong enough responses from some of my trusted critics, that I would like to include this on my next attempt to publish a CD. Enough so, that I'm going to reproduce these stylings for more songs in this genre. Not a new direction for me... but one I've not looked at for many years as being commercially viable for modern projects. I just thought it would be fun. It appears I was wrong... happily! /;)

Keeper said...

Ok here's a tweaked bass wav Moose. I could have done more, but I stopped at timingweaks so as to not take too many liberties with it.

Notice I made your stereo track into mono. No need to be stereo that I could see...

Some of the things I would change if I took liberties would be to use the better of the two passages for the chorus throughout.... You were more consistent on on that the other.

I only had to tweak a small handfull of timings on your bass. Most of the timing was pretty damned good. You were not that consistent on the WHAT, but your timing was good. I thought you could have been a little more deliberate in places, but I didn't take any liberties with that. After I get a tweaked guitar track posted I may go back and take some liberties (non0destructive of course), and see if they fly with you. I've had some people get angry with me when I take such liberties with their playing. This is not my project so I've abstained from such liberties...

First things first. I'll do the guitat tweaks first (when I get time), and post that. For now I am just tweaking timing and leaving the rest alone for you to work up.
Most of it I'd sum up with the word "deliberate", but you've hinted that you'd be working it up much as I did against the drums. That's why I stopped with "timing". Trying hard to be a team player and let YOU direct this and not take too many liberties...

If I run liberties past you as audition they will be "non-destructive", meaning your interp is kept in tact in another save in case you don't like my edits... I'm aware I could be trying to change something you intentionally did that way, so I'm being careful not to step on toes...


http://www.4shared.com/file/96040937/627df74b/Bass_Tweaked.html<---Click this

Moose said...

Ummm... no worries - my original tracks are right here in the studio.

I should restate that I am retracking some of this as originally planned, so I wouldn't put too much time into tweaking parts that are being replaced.

I appreciate all your efforts and observations, though!

Cheers!

Moose said...

Just uploaded a new MP3 with bass & drums:

http://www.4shared.com/file/96273092/fff4a4f4/Bolt_Action_Reaction_-_No_Leads.html

Far from a final mix, but should do for working on some lead guitars.

I cleaned up the folders, since I have retracked the bass and one of the guitars. I will post seps later... there are still some tweak/edits to be done; but I need to listen a bit.

I can really see a difference with this one after uploaded to 4shared. Most devices I have played this on, the mix is bass & kick heavy with the vocals just coming through. That's not how it seems to stream, though.

Cheers!

F-Jam Alert said...

Ok Moose, if you have linked that in the "Latest Mix", we'll prepare and send out a Mass Invite for guitarists to audition leads... Let us know when...

Moose said...

Everything's updated. Gopher it!

Keeper said...

Moose-

Listen to the chorus. Do I need to put more kick in there too so I'm doing the downbeat with ya (on the bass)?

Keeper said...

Sorry Moose, I lied when I said I was not going to change the WHAT.... But this needs to be addressed.

Ok here's what I've been talking about:

Your last post made it clear to me that on the chorus, you intentionally changed the bass accents, from the way you were playing on the verse. On the verse you were locked in on the accents that the guitar was doing, and on the chorus you jump off on a downbeat, where I've stayed locked to the guitar accent on the chorus. It's what I meant about the "deliberate" comments, and it is clear to me now that I am the one who needs to be deliberate and lock into your downbeat more. I'm even wondering if I should change the crash accent on the chorus to follow the straight bass downbeat, rather than the guitar accent?

For the time being I just locked in on the bass downbeat with the kick, and left the guitar accent crash in place. So you'll hear me change up my footwork to follow you on the bass in this mix. The bass jumps off and doesn't follow the guitar accent like on the verse, and this has caused the conflict to my ear. You've actually clarified your intent with this last posted mix, and it jumped out at me when I came in and listened with fresh ears. This is a non-destructive edit (meaning the wav separate I sent you is still intact in another save if you want to keep it). Notice the kick on the chorus.

http://www.4shared.com/file/96370402/f0d6cb2a/Bolt_Action_Reaction_Chorus_Downbeat.html<---Click this

Moose said...

Keeper, thank you for taking another look at this. I had wanted you to see it for yourself rather than point it out - which is why I was insistent on getting the new tracks done as a reference.

I'm just now finishing up a bass audition for KOTS. I will upload a drumless mix with the new tracks for you to plug into shortly.

I plan on starting on my guitar leads (they'll be on the intro and back half of the lead verse) this evening. I've decided on a Rock slide guitar for this to leave the other lead work wide open for what may come (are you feelin' this one for that?).

Keeper said...

Right well I could either lock in on the guitar or bass, and I decided it was more fitting to lock in on the bass. Actually it's locked on both now but with emphasis on the bass.

Slide would no doubt work on this. I am hearing some harmonica too. I was thinking of auditioning some of that for ya...

I have worked on Sean's vocs a little for KOTS, but I stopped and will work some more with fresh ears. I'm always torn in 10 different directions and get distracted with other things. That's why I try to take my time and try to keep fresh ears by comming back to things. Cuz ya end up having to backtrack anyhow when ya get like that so it's actually quicker to come back fresh if you ask me.

Keeper said...

What I can do if you want Moose, is upload an mp3 separate, and after I get a few things out of the way to cut down on the distractions, I can do the other things I mentioned and ultimately give you separates for the drums, basically minimizing the usage of loops. Let me get the vox for KOTS knocked out, and send out mass invites for this one, and clear my pallette (as it were) for fine tunning the final separates a bit later. I can post an interim mp3 sep of the drums with the downbeat for you to use in YOUR mix. You juse need to trim off a bit on the front of the mp3 to make it line up with your project, as we know mp3 adds a small amount of dead air to the front.

That would allow you to have an updated sep without massive downloading. It'll let me get a couple things out of the way and focus....

Keeper said...

Might be a glitch with 4shared. I had an error uploading earlier today, which turned out to be a blessing in disguise. I should have been uploading an interim mp3 sep for you and not a wav. So now here's the mp3, for you to put in temporarily. I plan to go through this for the finals. Still a few things I would do yet to make it cd ready... Can make a mix for leads with this:

http://www.4shared.com/file/96400687/e4c48d6b/BAR_Chorus_Downbeat_Drum_Sep.html<--- Click this

Keeper said...

Whichever one of us gets a mix posted to use for the Mass Invite, that's cool. I gotta step away for a bit. I'll jump back in when I come back Moose. RL is calling me...

Keeper said...

I'm thinking my last mix makes a decent mix for the Mass Invites.

http://www.4shared.com/file/96370402/f0d6cb2a/Bolt_Action_Reaction_Chorus_Downbeat.html<---Click this

If not post a mix and that will be my next movement for this.. I'm ready

Moose said...

Keeper - I got an uncompressed mix without the drums uploaded so you can do a final check.

If I can get the drums seps, I'd appreciate it.

It seems the problem I am having with my computer lies somewhere between it and my modem... however this computer seems to be uploading without timing out. It looks like I'll have my hands full reloading my regular Internet machine - but I'm not taking on that headache before Monday. I'm using the one I built for my Dad right now. Not the super spiff - but it's working.

Thanks!

Moose said...

OH - it's this one:
http://www.4shared.com/file/96438145/2124e7f1/Uncompressed_BAR_-_No_Drums.html

Keeper said...

http://www.4shared.com/file/96439864/d378e90f/BAR_Chorus_Downbeat_Drum_Sep.html<---Click this

If you didn't already get this here it is Moo. It still needs some work to be on a comercial cd, but her is the intrim uncompressed...

Moose said...

Thanks Keeper... no, I had not seen that. I've been running between two rooms to this computer and mine - which I'm hoping that once I get it cleaned up will be alright. Time will tell.

My modem is fritzin'... downloads are lickety-split, but uploads are snails and time out like dial-up. I'm not used to that at all with a 16mb connection.

I'm going to Comcast HQ in the morning and get a new modem... hopefully I'll have the machine sorted out by then. I'm starting to suspect my new Internet Security programs. Arghhhh!

Moose said...

Now dat's wut I'm talkin' 'bout!

I don't know what you did different besides changing the kick/accents - but when I plugged in your new drum track, it was instant joy-joy! The overall sound is much improved - especially the cymbals.

I didn't have to do a thing to it but set the level. That's good livin'!

I definitely have modem issues - it comes and goes... so I'll fix that in the morning. My computer seems to be back in the saddle again after a clean-up and removal of a program that got corrupted; possibly by an interrupted update.

Anywho - if I can get my smile back on (and your new drums certainly help that out), I'm going to try to lay down the slide work tonight and I'll post a new mix tomorrow after the modem fix.

But go ahead and send out invitations for guitar --- or handle it yourself (lol). We're rolling again... lock'n'load.

Cheers!

Moose said...

Whoops! And YES - your mix sounds good too!

F-Jam Alert said...

Mass Invitation went out to the guitarist's talent group. Went out to 50 registered guitarists. If none respond, I'll be glad to throw my hat in the ring. I'll probably do that anyhow.... Give 'em some time to respond. Have a good weekend!


:-)

Moose said...

Thanks, Keeper. I'm off for the weekend. See you guys on Monday.

Cheers!

Moose said...

OK - it's Wednesday, and NOW I'm back... well, at least back home. lol. /;)

I'd say the drums are done. I've been listening all weekend on different systems, and they are spot on and smokin'. Great sound!

Now, on to the lead guitars... there is once small section of the vocals I may retrack, but I think all else is ready to roll.

Keeper said...

My oldest son is now here visiting from Alaska. My brother and his wife are comming to visit today and see Scott (my son's name). So I'm knee deep in family ATM. I do have some guitar to audition for this, already on my HD, but I want to work on it some before offering it up. I know you are working on slide Moose. Shades of Jimmy Page from listening to your first takes that you showed me. Smokin hot....

I thought Amplitude did a good job for you but I am not a guitarist per se, so I'll leave you to look for your amp sound. I will be trying to find something that complements your slide yet is far away so from that at the same time. Not sure if I'll find it but that's what I am thinking.

Moose said...

Cewl! Sounds good.

Make the best of your family time. That's the heart and soul of it all!

Cheers /;)

Keeper said...

The words I was trying to think of just came to me about what I'm wanting to do on guitar lead. Those words are: "Complement yet Contrast". Musically suitable (style), yet contrasting the slide....

Moose said...

Keeper said: "Complement yet Contrast"

Moose muses: Sounds like what I look for in a woman. /;)

Keeper said...

An excerpt of one of my takes. More work to do...


http://www.4shared.com/file/97680656/fda222ce/Bolt_Action_Reaction_Lead_Exerpt.html<---Click this

Moose said...

I apologize for not being active this week. Between computer repairs that started at home last week; then more at my friends' in the country until Tuesday; ending up with family issues back at home... not to mention a complete reload for one of my benefactor's coming up this weekend - has left me a bit stretched for inspiration.

I did get to listen to your excerpt, Keeper. Jammin' - but I'd like you to take some time to revisit it when you are feelin' froggy... maybe a little less major and more diatonic (?). No rush. I've got to get wound back up myself.

Moomph!

Keeper said...

Right well I didn't really like that take. I can do better, if I do it at all. I am thinking harmonica might be the thing to audition....


No worries about the time situation. I've been quite busy with family myself stealing a minute here and there for studio.

MLINYHI said...

From TAXI's last mailout on needed songs:

NEW LISTING -- HARD ROCK SONGS a la AC/DC, Airbourne, Guns N' Roses, are needed for a very successful Video Game company. They want to hear high-energy tracks with vocals but they said "it doesn't need to be over-the top, it just has to rock hard." Performances must be excellent. Broadcast quality needed - great sounding home recordings should be just fine. Please submit one to three songs online or per CD, include lyrics. All submissions will be screened and critiqued by TAXI and must be received no later than Tuesday, April 14, 2009.
TAXI # S090414RK

Keeper said...

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Quote: MLINYHI said...

"From TAXI's last mailout on needed songs:

NEW LISTING -- HARD ROCK SONGS a la AC/DC, Airbourne, Guns N' Roses, are needed for a very successful Video Game company. They want to hear high-energy tracks with vocals but they said "it doesn't need to be over-the top, it just has to rock hard." Performances must be excellent. Broadcast quality needed - great sounding home recordings should be just fine. Please submit one to three songs online or per CD, include lyrics. All submissions will be screened and critiqued by TAXI and must be received no later than Tuesday, April 14, 2009.
TAXI # S090414RK

April 14, 2009 5:50 AM"
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Sorry for the delays on my lead audition work... Have had to deal with technical problems. I hope to have them straightened out soon and jump back in with this sometime today.

It'd be nice if some other auditions were posted as well...

Moose said...

Quote: Keeper said... "Have had to deal with technical problems."

Must be something going around. That's coming down to the last two weeks for me myself. Still have a reload to do this coming weekend.

I've been sick this week as well. Some kind of stomach virus. Bleah...

Bit of a short notice on the TAXI thing... might have been worth a go. What is TAXI (he asked, showing his ignorance)?

Inngr8 said...

http://www.taxi.com/industry.php

TAXI solicits for songs from bands and songwriters and then tries to place them for projects, tv, movies... where ever there is a need for a song. But many of their placements require going thru their screening process. SOme people swear by it and some think it is rigged - there is a small fee for each application and they offer to "critique" your song for another fee. It's one of those places I wanted to try to market some of the songs we have been doing on FJam. Best to have a catalog of several songs to improve our chances of one being accepted, and we would probably need to market some songs more conventionally first, and earmark some of the profits to pay for the fees of the applications process. I tried to account for all of those eventualities with the new "sales agreement" I PMed to everyone.

Moose said...

Ah... OK, now I see who TAXI is. Certainly could be potential for someone who can afford the yearly dues and submission fees.

I just edited out a long commentary about commercial work. It seems after all these years, I'm still not over having been pigeon-holed as a jingle writer / session man in my youth. I'll leave it at that. La.

I'm still thinkin' CD baby - when I'm ready... which has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than my own personal goals.

Cheers!

Moose said...

Oops - I guess I was editing my comment when you posted, Phil. I did a speed read on their site and numerous contented / disgruntled articles about the Net before I started my post.

TAXI does indeed appear to be a legitimate resource. Not what I'm looking for - but will be happy to go along with anyone who wishes to use them for a collaboration project from here.

F-Jam Alert said...

jamendo.com has a pretty agressive album sales program too. You might want to look into them when the time comes. I have some tracks up there from F-Jam (older), but not actually for sale.

MLINYHI said...

I wasnt pushing taxi. I tried them for a year a few years back. It didnt work for me. IMHO u need to have alot of songs and the main ones they seem to look for are in the pop and country genre. They do look for rock and others but not quite as much. I just posted it because I thought it fit well with this song. I think taxi could POSSIBLY work well with this online collab thing because we could actually tailor the songs to their current requests (due to the speed at which songs could be finished). I dont know how that would work with having a group of people though. They want you to outright own the song you are submitting so it would have to be some sort of group submission thing. Anyway, like I said, wasnt really pushing it. Just happened to read the email they sent me and it struck a chord with this song.

Moose said...

Heh-heh-heh-heh-heee!

........... he said "struck a chord." /;) Cewl.

My cold medicine must be kicking in.

Inngr8 said...

I agree Sean - the right song and the right time and TAXI could be a good fit. I don't think we should rule anything out at this point... the more we know about the resources available and what works best with that resource, the better our position when we are ready to collectively make a move. Unfortunately, there is as much admin work to do in preparation for marketing as there is actual work on the song. Knowledge is power.

Keeper said...

After doing battle with technical problems, I did manage to get some done. Here's a short excerpt of an intro lead I did. See how this strikes ya....


Gotta take a break after all this frustration and come back to this and jam it fresh... Want to do some harmonica auditions too as I'm hearing that in my head for this...


http://www.4shared.com/file/98566178/c7e49834/BAR_Intro_Lead.html<---Click this

Keeper said...

Moose-

You should probably go ahead and do the leads for this. I am not real enthusiastic about where this is going here...

MLINYHI said...

Fred,
I had the same problem. I couldnt find something I liked. Maybe for a few seconds but its a long lead and I kept losing it.

Moose said...

Keeper said... I am not real enthusiastic about where this is going here...

I'm not sure what you mean?

Sorry I haven't been very responsive. Sick as a dog. Eyes, nose, stomach, body aches... it appears to be my seasonal visit from the bugs.

If there are no takers on the lead work, I will finish it up as soon as my hands stop aching.

Be well.

Keeper said...

I'm having a problem with audio dropout since I went to sonar 8. This system has been swept clean less than a week ago. I even did the deep format where the app puts zeros on the HD to make sure it's totally clean. A deep format. And I went to sonar 8. But now the audio engine keeps dropping out on me when I try to record... It's hanging this process up. Probably just better to let you go ahead and finish it up Moose.

Keeper said...

I'll keep working on it Moose. I gotta get this worked out anyhow. If you get tired of waiting, then go for it.

Part of my problem has been having other apps going in the background that use the soundcard (I think...).

I'm cracking the books too to see if I can adjust the buffers etc.

Moose said...

Of course, I don't know what you're dealing with - but I know (for example) some cards, like M-Audio, need to have a dedicated port; such as an unused printer port re-assigned in the BIOS to the card.

May have nothing to do with what you're up against. Hope you get it sorted out. Tech issues are such a pain.

Keeper said...

Well I will try not to go into too much detail because I know you have your own issues to work with Moose.

It is indeed an M-Audio card. It's a Delta 1010 LT, which has 10 channels to record on simultaneously. Really it has never given me the problems that the one that is sitting on my shelf has. I did experience the IO and interrupt thing you mentioned with the one that is on the shelf, but this 1010LT has been a dream card for me.

It doesn't help that I have 3 cards on this machine. I think I've gotten a lot of the problems sorted out by killing apps in the background, and working with the audio config in Sonar.

Now I have the problem with the "realstrat" vsti I'm using not going up high enough in the octaves..... I guess if I were playing this on a real guitar it'd be using the cut away in the body so I could go way up on the fretboard. I hit the keys on the keyboard to play the notes I'm hearing on my head and the are not going up there after a certain cutoff. So what I did is let it play lower and then manually adjusted the pitch to be in the cutaway octave I was playing. I got it to do the note but had to do it the hard way. I gotta jump into the manual for this vsti and see how to increase the octave spread for a cutaway. Being a guitar app it has to have the cutaway octaves....

Just some ideas why this is slowing me down.... And I stop too when I get frustrated and or tired cuz I don't do good work in that state...

The last note I hit in the licks I did around the chorus is the cut away part I had to adjust manually. So now I gotta stop and crack open the manual and find this octave adjustment.... Sheesh....

Earlier I had problems with guitar rig, but I seem to have gotten that worked out too...

It's a fight but I guess I gotta gp through this if I am going to be doing this stuff...

Check out what I'm talking about with this excerpt.

http://www.4shared.com/file/98710297/111d34b5/BARLead2-1.html<---Click this

Moose said...

Sounds like you've got your hands full, Keeper.

I had hoped this would attract someone whose forte was this genre, and would find it a fun walk in the park - perhaps offering up a refreshing viewpoint as did Keeper's drum work. BTW - I'm still juiced by them everytime I listen to it. I love what you did with the toms, the riffs & accents - and the final sound of that snare (it rings & sings now).

But I think I'm going to put this one to bed. The slide work I shared with Keeper was already done deal for the intro/ending and second lead - but I had also recorded another straight lead guitar before I left town to let my friends hear a whole song (most folks would rather hear bad guitar work than 8 bars of rhythm guitar, lol); and it has grown on me.

So I'm going to retrack small bits on both guitars that didn't quite pass muster and put up a finished master along with the separates.

I'm currently loaded up with cold medicine and going offline to get this done. Hopefully, I will get it posted sometime this evening.

I'm ready to move on to other bits I was planning (or had promised) for a couple of the other projects going on here; and as soon as I am recovered need to get back to work on several of my own.

I truly appreciate all contributions and efforts on this song, and hope you guys will be pleased with the end result.

I pray you get your tech issues resolved without a lot of headaches, Keeper. I know what a killer of inspiration that can be... and there's more to come here on F-Jam that can't proceed without you.

Cheers!

Keeper said...

Well I got the problems solved and worked on this most of the afternoon.

http://www.4shared.com/file/98757406/db025da1/Bolt_Action_ReactionLeadsWed.html<---Click this

Guess I'll finish my version in my spare time... I have some of my own tracks that need attention too..

Now to eat supper and some TV....and unwind...

Moose said...

Bugger all!

I updated the Pwiki, and when I tried to edit the title I screwed the page.

Can you fix this Keeper? Thanks.

Moose said...

Anywho - here's the finished mix:
http://www.4shared.com/file/99017500/7d510f6f/Moose_Lewis_-_Bolt_Action_Reaction.html

On Soundclick:
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7524556

The separates (RAR) for remixing:
http://www.4shared.com/file/99013979/cdb44f3f/BAR_Seps_-_No_Drumspart1.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/99014421/2b1798a2/BAR_Seps_-_No_Drumspart2.html
(except the drums, which are already in the seps folder).

After I listen to this for a week, I'll likely do one more mix to fix whatever I hear that bugs me... but I'll just update the existing posts.

Lemme know how ya like it guys! Thanks.

F-Jam Alert said...

Ok Moose, the new titled status page has been inserted back into the project page. As soon as your file shows at soundclick, let us know and I'll put it in the jukebox.


I'll also setup the seps in the Mix/Master listening room...

I have a line on some other services that let you upload higher res files and have a player, that we can embed. esnips.com for instance lets us have 5 gigs and embedable players. I like soundclick but I acknowledge what you've said about the 128 kbps limit. As long as it has an embedable player, I don't really mind what services you use for putting your finished in the jukebox.

I can show ya a few more free ones too if you are interested in checking different services out.

I'm going to go listen to your mix right now... I'm sure it whips the Lama's ass! LOL

Keeper said...

Two thumbs up Moose! Great sound man!

Moose said...

Big thanks... for the comment and fixing my screw-up!

I went with your comment on the original slide work I sent you, and did the guitars entirely in the app discussed. Won't replace my amp; but it did turn out better lead tone than I expected. I have found new rhythm guitar sounds though it and this song that I plan to exploit in the future.

It all happened here, on F-Jam! Cheers!!!

Moose said...

Oh - and it is already on Soundclick at the link posted above:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7524556

Thangzzz!

MLINYHI said...

This one came out real good. Kickin. Riff keeps ringin in my head.

F-Jam Alert said...

Listening Room C<--- Click this

Moose said...

Master/Latest Mix has been updated reflecting changes in lead volume per Keeper's suggestion.

Getting on with backlog of studio projects for now. Catch ya later!

Cheers!